Campbell Family/Carnmoney

[rmburke]

Yes I know of this Sally being born and dying...do you know where her death date is derived from and/or where she is buried?  I would think that Sally and Mary were fond of each other by Mary naming a child this name. Sally was born 1828, and Mary was born 1818, so her father married a MUCH younger woman, it happens/ed!

[rmburke]

Martin...Did you know of Mary's parents prior to me posting? Just curious. As I am seeking also find out why Mary's middle name is Speer. As she had two Speer men, brothers and sons of Gordon Speer witnesses to her Last Will. Not thinking it co-incidence, but they are probably in some way related. Just my two cents. Michelle

[Rosniak]

Hi,

No, I didn't know the names of Mary's parents until you posted. I also noticed the connection to Gordon Speer - he is on my own tree as a distant relative of the Moreland family, not exactly a blood relation but on my tree all the same.

Maybe the Speer connection to the Graham was the reason mary came to Ballycraigy and met her future husband?

[rmburke]

I was thinking that my myself, that Mary came to the area and met Samuel. Though, and w/o proof I don't think they married in the Carnmoney area.....call it gut. Her mother and father were living at the time of her marriage to Samuel, circa 1837..as their first born was Wm. Andrew b. circa 1839, I think perhaps she married Samuel in 1st Presbyterian Church of Broughshane...this is where I found my Nathaniel's children baptisms, they began having children in 1843 -- too, he and Mary and spouses were having children at the same time. Nathaniel married Rose Gordon of the Townland of Drummack, which borders Townland of Creevamoy where Mary was born, raised. And the townland of Creevamoy is just up the road from the Village of Brougshane...Graham farm is the first one on the Buckna Rd and which sits between that road and Carnalbonough (sp?) Rd. with the river Braid flowing through the property.  I just posted a letter to this church to try to find out about Campbell baptisms in that church...if at the PRONI, this churches' records might be worth searching through for Saml/Mary's children baptisms and the burials for Wm, Mary and Sally. I can tell you that Wm, Mary, Sally if buried at 1st Presbyterian of Broughshane they don't have a headstone...we walked it when there in 1996.  Michelle

[rmburke]

Martin....Let Stuart Patrick know that while I don't have any photos id'd of Mary's brother, my Nathaniel Graham, I do have many photos of his and Rose' children, as young adults and some as older men/women. The oldest son Wm Graham born in Creevamoy Townland/1843, and his brothers, sisters. If Stuart has photos of Wm Andrew and/or his siblings it would be fascinating to see if any resemblance is in play between our families!  If interested we can swap scans of the photos. Let me know when able. Thanks, Michelle

[TheWhuttle]

Michelle,

Shiver me timbers, it looks cold with you just now!
However, expect that all be go swimmingly with you soon.
[We're experiencing a softer variant here, 'cos we have a bigger "lake" to the West than you!]

Just remember, in a 5 foot deep scenario, to take good care of those precious bottom two feet!

Also, at minus eleven, you've got to be closer to Heaven (than Hell).
http://humor.beecy.net/misc/hellfrozeover/

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Perhaps you can console yourself with thoughts that your ancestor's landlord offspring also found that life in middle America could be pretty tough ... (hailstones the size of cricket balls, etc. ...).

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/books/review/prairie-fever-by-peter-pagnamenta.html?_r=5&

Ref:
PRAIRIE FEVER
British Aristocrats in the American West, 1830-1890
By Peter Pagnamenta
Illustrated. 338 pp. W. W. Norton & Company.

Reckon that the Francis TURNLEY (sic) mentioned must be the great-grandson of the Francis TURNLY who bought the townland of Ballycraigy in Carnmoney parish from Lord Donegall (CHICHESTER) in the 1790s.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p36451.htm#i364507

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FT bought in as a middleman, paying the going rate demanded by the overall landlord, then replaced any tenants who would not pay the increased rents that he demanded.
So, perhaps the SPEERS family took over their tenancy then (1790s).

The SPEERS family owned lands in Ballycraigy townland.
[On the right, heading down the Ballycraigy Road from the village.]

We have a photo of the Rockview Darts Club at an award ceremony dating from ~1953.
The assembled throng, in Ballyrobert Orange Hall, includes a "Hyman SPIERS" - full face, big smile!.

Interestingly we have just received an autobiography written by R.M.SIBBETT in 1909 about a William Montgomery SPEERS, born at Speerstown, near Cullybackey on 18-MAR-1832, a major player in the 1859+ religious revival in Ulster.
[We understand that RMS was a neighbour of the HILLs in Ballyhenry.]

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Two BARKLEMOREs of Ballyhenry feature, as farmers in Carnmoney, in the 1888 Bassetts directory.

N.B. That 1882 court case was about them challenging the new +50% rent levels, caused by the death of the landlord.

Guess you noticed the CAMPBELLs also listed in the Griffiths Valuation for Ballyhenry.
William Fee McKINNEY'S ancestors were of this clan, reckoned to have scarpered from Scotland shortly after the failure of the 1715 Jacobite rebellion.

Capt. Jock & Revving Jock

[rmburke]

Thank you Capt Jock for the info and links you supplied  

I did not yet know that Wm. Fee McKinney had "Campbell" ancestry. I am hoping for a response from an email I sent to a gentleman I was referred to, onr who has access to Wm's stud books to help me understand what/if any info was recorded about  the "Campbell" family also related to the Graham family when he was recording BMD's and his conversation with the locals.

Yes, closer to Heaven, didn't think of that...BUT me likes that thought

Michelle.... snowbound in COLD Michigan!

[TheWhuttle]

Michelle,

Expect that the old "cold man" will warm himself in to action soon - usually quite responsive.
Always welcoming of all contact in my experience, though getting on a bit now.

He captured all the diary info from the McKINNEY stud books in to a PAF GEDCOM database.
Then extended it as folks contacted him with family history information over the years.

Understand, that the enhanced database will be released on to the Family Search website in the not too distant future.

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The RMS book mentions that the founder of SPEERStown was a very nice/successful man, but that others took advantage of him, resulting in his losing the family savings when they defaulted on the sureties that he had given for them.

This forced his offspring to have to make their own way in the World (spreading their wings?) in order to succeed.
N.B. Cullybackey isn't a million miles from Broughshane ...

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The popular press over here headlined "Hell has frozen over!" (due to the current polar vortex).

"Hell" being a town in Michigan.
[Such offering an appropriate civic edifice to welcome visitors on the road in ...
 Aka "The Gates of Hell"!]

Capt. Jockular

[rmburke]

That is funny of all places eh...a town in the state of Michigan "Hell". If me speaks truth, it should be frozen over, I've been to that town!

Familysearch eh?  WOW, WOW......that will be fantastic.......this year me hopes