Sampler SUSANNA QUINNELL 1836 Sussex?

[jann]

Wouter,

Skip my request for the picture.  I was able to get it from what you've already posted.

Jann

[Roy G]

As I way of briefly tying the two topics on the same matter together, Wouter obviously knew (presumably because it's embroidered on the RH side of the sampler) Susanna Quinnell's birth date.   The date matches an IGI record for the baptism of a daughter to James & Hannah of Kirdford, but the entry in the Kirdford records uses the date of 17 Mar 1822 with the surname Quenel.

Susanna married Lewis Tyrrell in Ockham Surrey on 8 Feb 1851, and appears with him and their child aged 4 months on the 1851 census.  There have been other sightings of her in other records and other census years, but how the sampler turns up about 175 years later in Holland, is certainly intriguing.

The transcript of the entry in the Sussex Family History Group database shows her father James was a Farmer and as previously mentioned, she also had a sister Charlotte baptised with her on the same day.  So could these have been a pair of twins that were rapidly baptised on the day of their birth in case one or both failed to survive?

It could be them living near Midhurst on the 1841 census index, listed as Charlotte and Hannah Quinnell born circa 1821.

Roy G

[dutchwouter]

sorry for the misunderstandings,  the sampler does not have her birthday on it, the sampler came from a Dutch household with more English items, one of them is a so called "half (or lady) steamer trunk" which belonged to a Mrs M.O.G. Lees (this trunk bears the initials "O L" = her husband?). perhalps that can make a clue with the sampler. i will make another post of this trunk later on. 

as i understand it well, there are two possible candidates? one Susanna was married and one lived with her twin-sister? and the appearance of the house on the sampler is not a clue as too common?

[Roy G]

Re  ......... there are two possible candidates?
[1] one Susanna was married and [2] one lived with her twin-sister?

NO, just one candidate called Susanna [1], whose parentage and early history we seem fairly sure about. but no one has ever written [2] that in her adult years she lived with Charlotte who baptismal records suggest could have been her twin.

The IGI (familysearch.org) lists Susanna QUENEL(L)'s other siblings as:
Elisha bapt 1818, and Martha bapt 1823 died 1823.
The IGI also shows the baptism of Susanna's son John Tyrrell Quennell also took place in Ockham on 2 Feb 1851.  That was a few days before she married Lewis Tyrrel, probably in the same church.

Re  .......... and the appearance of the house on the sampler is not a clue as (it is) too common.
You are right there.  It is believed that schools had pre printed samplers for girls to work on, many with the same basic design, but each must have also included spaces for the girl to embroider her name and add other information.

Solving the trunk problem will be more difficult on this site, for there is no certainty of a continuing Sussex connection.  You may need to look for other clues like shipping lines or using the name of one ship in particular to date when Mrs MOG Lees traveled and where to.
Roy G

[jann]

Hi,

A quick search on IGI leads me to suspect that  "OL", the monogram on the trunk, is missing the first letter.  Makes sense.  Most monograms are 3 initials.  The monogram might well be Mrs. Lee's, not her husbands. 

My research on the Quinnell family (not exhaustive) shows no connection to a Lees family. I'll continue to look into that.

I believe that this sampler must have spent most of its life with the Quinnell family.  Something so ordinary would not otherwise have survived.

Jann