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« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Report back, Mark - I've been looking in vain for Philadelphia death records for 1920-1930 but nothing online.

I was lucky with my ancestral cousins - they lived PA but died Florida  :)
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« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 15:38 GMT (UK) »
I know Olive street has been mentioned but not sure if  we listed this one ?

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1870 Census - 1828 Olive street

Mary Spearing, 24, b. Ireland


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Re: Stephenson Family - Newcastle upon Tyne - Mid-1800s -
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 16:21 GMT (UK) »
Hello again, Gadget:

From the age 24, this Mary was born in 1846, which dovetails nicely with the Mary who lived at 2521 Olive Street,  Could be we are picking her up earlier at a boarding house.

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« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 21:59 GMT (UK) »
I've just received the burial records of the Cathedral Cemetery ("CC") and can clear some things up. 

For clarity, I am referring to John Patrick Stephenson (b. 1850) as John, Sr., and his son as John Jr. I am basing this on all of the information that you have uncovered as well as my work at Ancestry and the cemetery records.  For the sake of brevity, I've omitted the citations.  I have provided the information received from the Cathedral Cemetery at the end.

John Stephenson, Sr. was born in 1850 and died on September 26, 1924.  He was interred on September 26, 1924.  He emigrated to the United States in 1866. He married Mary Spearing in 1871.  By way of confirmation, Ellen Spearing (b. 1854; d. 1938) is also buried in the plot, Everyone else is a Stephenson, and I was informed that she was Mary's sister.  Also by way of confirmation, in 1920, John Sr. or Jr. reported John Sr.'s birthdate as about 1840 and his immigration date as about 1860. 

Mary Spearing Stephenson was born on February 2, 1841.   Based on her death certificate, she died on June 17, 1908 and was interred on June 20, 1920.  Her DOB appears in her death certificate.  At the time of Mary's death, John and she lived at 2521 Olive Street.  At the time of John Sr.'s death, he lived at 2518 Meredith Street.  At the time of his death, the Cathedral Cemetery recorded his age as 74, making his DOB to be 1850.

In addition to the four sons that we know about, John Sr. and Mary had two children that did not survive.

Joseph was born in 1876. He died in 1888.  At the time, John and Mary Stephenson lived at 265 Bagoda Street, Philadelphia.

Mary Stephenson was born on in 1877. She died on January 18, 1892.  At the time, they lived at 844 Bambrey Street.

John P Stephenson (Jr.) was born in 1872 and died in 1946.  He married Mary Fee, who was born in 1875 and died in 1938. They resided at 2518 Meredith Street together until 1938.  John remained there until his death.  His widow, Agnes Fee Russell, remained there until her death in 1976.

I am going to do a more detailed summary that links each of these facts to its citation but I wanted to share with you how much we have achieved.  Gadget, Aghadowey, Radcliff and Heywood - you are masters at this and I am very grateful for your help.

Best wishes all.

Mark

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Cathedral Cemetery

Joseph Stephenson, age 12, interred 12-15-1888
Mary Stephenson, age 15, interred 1-18-1892
Agnes Stephenson, age 92, 8-28-1976

Mary Stephenson, age 67, 6-20-1908
John Stephenson, age 74, 9-26-1924

Ellen Spearing, age 75, interred 6-2-1938
Mary Stephenson, age 62, interred 12-29-1937
John Stephenson, age 74, 11-13-1946


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« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 08 January 14 22:17 GMT (UK) »
Glad that you've got it sorted out a bit better now- the burial records do help.

Going back to something you posted earlier in the topic: “When his son's (one of them my grandfather) were still young, a letter arrived from the Irish branch offering to educate the boys if they returned to Ireland and cease to be Roman Catholics.  The Irish branch was supposedly wealthy and John Patrick worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad as a surveyor.  He threw the letter out and apparently did not share much about his past.”
A Catholic relative in Ireland would hardly be likely to want to raise the boys as Protestant. I suspect that Mary's maiden name was Sparing (Spearing could just be a variation of it) and that her family were Catholic. I'm doubtful that John Sr. had the middle name of Patrick (or at least not in Ireland).

There's still a possibility that Edward Stephenson is related, so here's an outline of that family to keep in mind. Unfortunately they seem to have used Mount Moriah for burials and it's now in a terrible state (do NOT google images for it if you are easily distressed).
Edward Stevenson (c1818 Ire.-1889) m. Susan (c1822 Ire.-1890)
  1870- 1828 Olive St.; 1870- 2103 Carlton, 1872- 2106 Cottonhill, 1880- Hare St. (watchman) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MWJX-G7D, 1890- 2324 Hare St
  Death (Edward 1889): https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JXQV-26N
  Death (Susan 1890 @ 2324 Hare St) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JKQX-B5S
1. Annie Stevenson (c1849 Ire./Penn-aft.1880)
     Died 1872 & had son 1877 according to online tree
2. Jane Stevenson (c1851 Ire.-1870 pneumonia)
     Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VKZT-YP9 2103 Carlton Mt Moriah
3. Sarah Stevenson (c1853 Ire.-1872 TB)
     Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VKZR-WS9 2108 Cottonhill  Mt Moriah
4. Elizabeth Stevenson (c1857-1870 TB)
     Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JD1T-RL4 1828 Olive St., Mt Moriah
5. Edward/Eddie Stevenson (c1860 Penn.-aft.1880)
6. John Stevenson (1862 Penn.-aft.1880)
     Birth https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VB1Q-YJL
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Re: Stephenson Family - Newcastle upon Tyne - Mid-1800s -
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 09 January 14 00:37 GMT (UK) »
Good Evening Aghadowey:

I read your reply and had to laugh.  I grew up in Yeadon and at one point lived at 1305 Angora Drive.  If you went out my front door, crossed the street and walked to the back of my neighbor's yard, you were in Mount Moriah cemetery.  It was one of my favorite playgrounds as a boy.  Yes, it looks terrible now.  I used a picture of one of the overgrown mausoleums at Halloween.  The world is increasingly small.

I think I garbled the story.  The Irish Stephensons living in Newcastle West were protestants and John left because he had become a Catholic.  I'm sure you are right to say that Mary Spearing was also a Catholic.  Supposedly, they were married in Old St. Mary's and moved into the old St. Francis X parish when it was still at 26th and Callowhill.  I will start looking at Sparing entries.  Why do you think that spelling is more likely?  And I will see if I can confirm or disprove a middle name for John Sr.  Why do you think it unlikely he had a middle name or at least didn't use it?

Your alternate Edward Stephenson is interesting.  I'll work my way through it and respond with some thoughts.

Best wishes.

Mark

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« Reply #60 on: Thursday 09 January 14 01:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mark, we are Spearin/Spearing from Limerick, Ireland from Limerick.We have been researching this family for many years. We have Spearin/Spearing from all over the world in our databases. Come join us at our Family website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spearin/Index.html
Looking forward to hearing from you
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I think the answer to your questions is yes.  About 10 years ago, I went to the Cathedral Cemetery and got the records for the persons buried in the family plot (which is in the annex).  I went over the names with my Aunt Anne, who put them in order.  In a house cleaning, my notes were lost (don't ask).  I recall JPS entered as John Patrick.  His wife was Mary Spearing.  I'm going back to recapture that data.  I do not know that he used a middle name or initial in life.

His son, also John Patrick, married Mary "Mame" Fee.  Thank you for the date.  My father spoke of her often.  She died relatively young and her sister Agnes came to help John in the transition.  They married and I knew Agnes, who died ~1975.  When I handled Agnes' estate, I met Jane Fee, Leo Fee and Mon. John Fee.  Mary appears in the 1930 census as John P Jr.'s wife.  Jane, Leo and John are her nephews.  If it helps, I believe most of JPS's sons worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad.  I know that my grandfather Edward and Ellen's husband (who I believe was William) did.  He was killed in a yard accident.  I apologize for the added color but it helps me keep things straight.

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In 1940, Agnes appears.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-27807-7960-21?cc=2000219&wc=M9Q6-B1R:n65618583

As always, thanks.

Mark
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Re: Stephenson Family - Newcastle upon Tyne - Mid-1800s -
« Reply #61 on: Thursday 09 January 14 05:19 GMT (UK) »
Good Evening Margaret:

Thank you for the invitation.  I took a quick look at your site.  I am registered at the Stephenson site and am happy to register on the Spearing site too.  I don't have a match yet but let's give it time.  I'll find my DNA kit and join up.

I look forward to working with you.  Best wishes.

Mark

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« Reply #62 on: Thursday 09 January 14 08:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello Mark

Very pleased that some of your ancestors are now sorted  :)

One thing that I noticed on the 1900 (My Reply #35) ~ Mary is down as having 7 children with  4 of them still alive, so there is another death/stiillbirth besides Joseph and Mary.


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