Crimean war - Thomas O'Brien (ref Manchester's query 2006 (!))

[ChristopherXYZ]

Thomas O'Brien was in the 88th Regiment of Foot (mentioned on his death certificate).
Kev has two references to Thomas O'Brien in the regiment. There is also a reference to a Thomas O'Brien being wounded in the battle to Alma:
http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/alma.html

http://www.angelfire.com/mp/memorials/crimroll12.htm refers to a Thomas O'Brien killed in the battle of Inkermann in 1855.

Thomas was married to Bridget (who was born in London), but I can't trace her maiden name or when married or when Thomas was born. Thomas is in the 1901 census and died in 1901 in Manchester.  Any help on these queries would be welcomed.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

think this is them on 1891 in Manchester - matches the 1901 in many details (eg 1901 he is a blind Crimean pensioner)

Thomas Obrien    50 - b Galway, pensioner, blind
Bridget Obrien    48 - b London
Michael Obrien    28 - son b Dublin. Groom, married
Henry Obrien    20 - son b Dublin. Labourer, single
Emma Obrien    29 - daughter in law b Liverpool
Mary A Obrien    8
Edward Obrien    6
Henry Obrien    4
Rachael Obrien    1

The young children say son and daughter but I'm assuming this probably refers to Emma as mother.

Given the sons' birthplace, you may need to look in Ireland for a marriage,
RG12, 3237, 112, 21

[ChristopherXYZ]

think this is them on 1891 in Manchester - matches the 1901 in many details (eg 1901 he is a blind Crimean pensioner)

Thomas Obrien    50 - b Galway, pensioner, blind
Bridget Obrien    48 - b London
Michael Obrien    28 - son b Dublin. Groom, married
Henry Obrien    20 - son b Dublin. Labourer, single
Emma Obrien    29 - daughter in law b Liverpool
Mary A Obrien    8
Edward Obrien    6
Henry Obrien    4
Rachael Obrien    1

The young children say son and daughter but I'm assuming this probably refers to Emma as mother.

Given the sons' birthplace, you may need to look in Ireland for a marriage,
RG12, 3237, 112, 21

Many thanks - haven't yet got to grips with the Irish records!

[Nettie]

I have found a baptism record for Henry O'Brien in 1870, in Dublin, with parents Thomas O'Brien and Bridget Connell
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/883da70237199

It may or may not be your Henry.

[t mo]

hi
also find my past has a service / pension record for Thomas  there are 4 images not an awful lot of info but worth downloading as an historical document , it does state that he lost his sight due to a shell explosion , he also had a slight contusion to his left arm from a piece of grape shot .
you can buy credits from FindMyPast quite cheaply for the download .
regards
trevor

[Manchester]

Trevor,

Can you narrow down which of the Thomas O'Briens on FMPIE is the one referred to in your response.

Thanks

[km1971]

Hi Christopher

There were several Thomas O’Briens in the 88th Foot serving in the Crimea. The one blinded had regimental number 3677. FindMyPast appears to have only his service record. They did not keep records of men killed while serving or who left without sufficient service for a pension. His record lists some under age service from which you can deduce his probable date of birth as 6th January 1837. It also has his place of birth as Rahoon, Galway. But the writing is not clear for the parish.

He arrived in the Crimea in 1855 – so after the battles of Alma and Inkerman. The medal roll is on Ancestry. He would have received the medal - http://tinyurl.com/oz2zbsf - with a clasp for Sebastopol (which was a siege lasting a year). I cannot find him on the separate Sebastopol roll. He would also have received a Turkish Crimea medal, which were issued unnamed.

The last page in the record has a long list of what appear to be increases in his pension. The last one 'DD to WO' with a date of 1901, probably means 'documents despatched to War Office', and confirms the information you have of when he died.

Both FindMyPast and Ancestry appear to be offering three month free trials at present.

I think you should ask a moderator to moved this to Armed Forces.

Ken

[ChristopherXYZ]

I have found a baptism record for Henry O'Brien in 1870, in Dublin, with parents Thomas O'Brien and Bridget Connell
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/883da70237199

It may or may not be your Henry.

Many thanks! This could well be right as there is a Bridget Connell born at about the right time (1841) in the right place (London).

[ChristopherXYZ]

Hi Christopher

There were several Thomas O’Briens in the 88th Foot serving in the Crimea. The one blinded had regimental number 3677. FindMyPast appears to have only his service record. They did not keep records of men killed while serving or who left without sufficient service for a pension. His record lists some under age service from which you can deduce his probable date of birth as 6th January 1837. It also has his place of birth as Rahoon, Galway. But the writing is not clear for the parish.

He arrived in the Crimea in 1855 – so after the battles of Alma and Inkerman. The medal roll is on Ancestry. He would have received the medal - http://tinyurl.com/oz2zbsf - with a clasp for Sebastopol (which was a siege lasting a year). I cannot find him on the separate Sebastopol roll. He would also have received a Turkish Crimea medal, which were issued unnamed.

The last page in the record has a long list of what appear to be increases in his pension. The last one 'DD to WO' with a date of 1901, probably means 'documents despatched to War Office', and confirms the information you have of when he died.

Both FindMyPast and Ancestry appear to be offering three month free trials at present.

I think you should ask a moderator to moved this to Armed Forces.

Ken

Many thanks for this excellent information! I have downloaded the service record on FindMyPast.

FindMyPast states the place of birth as Rahoon which is a suburb of Galway, so that looks fair enough.
By under-age service, did you mean under age 18 (which was perhaps the minimum age for joining)? His attestation was on 9 November 1854, at age 17y 10m. That would put his date of birth as 9 January 1837 or perhaps slightly earlier: perhaps I have missed something when you deduce 6 January 1837.

I have found a book, "The Crimean Campaign with the Connaught Rangers 1854-55-56" by N Steevens. This mentions the initial injury to Thomas O'Brien on 7 June being in connection with the attack on the "Quarries". It doesn't give any specific information about his subsequently being blinded.

I will ask the moderator re moving this to Armed Forces, as you suggest.

Once again, many thanks
Christopher