1851/41 census for Alconbury Weston

[bedfordshire boy]

The christenings of his sisters are on one of these female only batches on the IGI. No-one knows why they're being done like this - not even the LDS staff! I think it's a sexist thing myself.

[mooncrystal]

Hi David,

Next time you are browsing the 1841 census for Alconbury Weston can you see if Samuel Palmer and his wife Elizabeth are on it?  These are Mary Palmers parents and she was born in 1802 of the village so I am hoping they are still there, thanks, Ruth

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Ruth
"Browsing" through the 1841 census is generally something I do when I''ve finished reading the telephone directory.
You might have a long wait. However if you're asking me to look up Alconbury Weston of course I will!

I used to have a pretty good success rate for census look ups but you've caused my average to drop pretty dramatically over the past few days.

Not a Palmer on sight I'm afraid - I would have been surprised if Mary's parents were still around, although it's always possible that her father had died and her mother remarried. But no other Palmers either, brothers of Mary possibly.

OK, 1841 browsing over, I'm off to browse The Economist in bed!

regards

David

[mooncrystal]

Hi David,

It was the Alconbury Weston bit of the census that I meant.  Mind you, I take your point, they would have been in their 60s by then.  I haven't found Samuel Palmer and Elizabeths marriage so I assume that she didn't live in Huntingdonshire and they got married where she lived.  I'll see if I can find any siblings to tie them down more, thanks, Ruth

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Ruth

Just checked the NBI (don't know why I didn't look at it last night!) and found the following

Burials Alconbury Weston
20 Apr 1825 Elizabeth Palmer age 52
18 Aug 1839 Ann Palmer age 76
23 Feb1829 Joseph Palmer age 24
13 Feb 1836 Mary Ann Palmer age 3
2 Jul 1832 Samuel Palmer age 63

Were there any other Palmers married in Alconbury?

Regards

David

[mooncrystal]

Hi David,

I've found 4 other marriages of Palmers in Alconbury Weston:

Ann Palmer/Thomas Wise 26 dec 1814
eliz Palmer/John Allen  30 Aug 1792
Sam Palmer widower - Ann Ringrow widow  1825
Will Palmer - Ann Wheatley  1832

I had a look at the Ramsey church records because there are loads of Palmers there but I couldn't find anything to tie in Samuels family.

I had a look on the LDS site and there is a marriage between a Samuel Palmer and Elizabeth Perry at All Saints, Cambridge 13 March 1791.  It does state that both parties were born in Cambridge, so that doesn't look promising, Ruth

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Ruth

I too had seen the 1891 Cambridge wedding - they had four subsequent children in the 1890's which I was hoping may have married in Alconbury, hence my question, but no such luck. Where does it say though that they were both from Cambridge? I couldn't see it - the other thing about all those IGI entries is that they are member submissions, so you should have the salt pot at your side ready to take a large pinch (having said that they do look reasonably authentic, apart from one)

The marriages - Sam appears to have remarried pretty rapidly after the death of Elizabeth in 1825, and I assume it was his second wife who died aged 76 in 1839.

I suspect that Ann and William, plus Joseph who died in 1829, could have been siblings of your Mary. It is probably significant that Elizabeth in 1825 was the only Palmer buried in AW in the period 1760-1825, so it doesn't seem as though Samuel was from the village, even though he may have married outside the county. I wouldn't rule out that Cambridge marriage!!! (think about the one you found for me on Saturday - Caxton, Cambs and Somersham Hunts married in Huntingdon)

Check out the Cambs FHS website http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html-
burial and baptism indexes - one of Samuel & Elizabeth's daughters was buried in 1802, but this is the only mention of the family - no more baptisms, but neither parent was buried (unless of course one or other of them died just prior to 1801 when the index starts). It will be interesting to see what the AW parish register says about the various children.

I've just browsed (you're not going to hear the end of that!) Alconbury, as opposed to AW,  1841 as I found William and Ann there in 1861, and found them, or what seems to be them, enumerated as Parmer.  I'll continue browsing once I've finished the school run and bought a baguette, and post the result later.

regards

David

[mooncrystal]

Hi David,

I searched for the 1791 wedding of Elizabeth Perry and Samuel Palmer and you get the basic IGI record.  If you click on Family on the right of that, that brings up a page where it says that Samuel was born about 1766 in Maddingley, Cambridge and Elizabeth was born about 1770 of All Saints, Cambridge.  It only gives a film number for that record and not a batch number. 
With regards to the Samuel Palmer, widower who married in 1825 at Alconbury Weston.  I figured that it was the same Samuel Palmer who had married a Mary Brown in 1820 at Kimbolton, Ruth

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Ruth

The Cambridge marriage on the IGI is a member submission, the quality of which range from extremely well researched to stick in any name you think of, deduct 25 years if its male and 21 if its female and put that down as the birth year (which is what has happened here). The only way to check out the accurancy of these member submissions is to consult the parish register. But it must still remain a possibility which in your position I would check out.

I think your assumption about Samuel from Kimbolton is a dangerous one! Unless you know that Mary had died, and even then it's a bit of  a hike from Kimbolton to Alconbury. I prefer the local man, who had just been widowed. Again, reference to the parish register is essential. If the marriage was prior to Aug 1825 when Elizabeth died then my theory is blown apart!

Back to William, who married Ann Wheatley in 1832 in AW. In 1861 there is
RG9/973 Folio 50
William Palmer head marr 54 horsekeeper b Alconbury
Ann Palmer wife 50 b Godmanchester
George son 15; John son 12; Lucy dau 10; Eliza ? dau 7. All born Alconbury

in 1841 what may be be the same family
Alconbury HO107/450-01 folio 15B
Wilm Parmer 30 ag lab
Ann Parmer 30
Elizabeth 6; Mary Ann 4; Wilm 2; Emma 1
All born in Hunts

But the key pre 1837 is the parish register! On line/CDrom/transcribed information can provide pointers but ideally all should be checked. Here endeth tonights lesson! Back to the Economist!

Regards

David