Is this the same person - George/Charles CANNON?

[Jen10]

From reading the article from Giblet, it seems that it is the same person.  The newspaper article mentions George Cannon and William Goodlad being indicted for the same offense that Charles Cannon and William Goodlad were convicted of in the court records.  It also mentions that George had just returned from being transported, and that he was well known to police as a "desperate character".  I think this may be the same George who was convicted in 1829 and sentenced to 7 years transportation, but I am also unable to find any record of a George/Charles transported at this time.

Was it common for these men to return from transportation?  I was under the impression that they had to pay their own way back if they wanted to go back to England.

[giblet]

Was it common for these men to return from transportation?  I was under the impression that they had to pay their own way back if they wanted to go back to England.

I dont think the 1829 one come to Australia. Sometimes when sentenced for transportation they had their sentences changed and spent the time in jail. If he had come to Australia he would have had to have received a Absolute pardon to be able to return to the UK

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-convict-records/index-to-tickets-of-leave-certificates-and-pardons

Also

There is a conviction for a Charles CANNON, 18, for larceny at The Old Bailey in 1829, and was sentenced to 7 years transportation

He wouldnt have been back in the UK for the 1834 offence if he had been transported for 7 years in 1829.

[judb]

Convicts were also transported to Bermuda and returned to England after their sentence.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=531876.msg3862324#msg3862324

This thread (Reply #1) suggest that there were prison hulks in Gibraltar also.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=516216.msg3719864#msg3719864

National Archives (UK) links
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/prisoners.htm?WT.lp=rg-3150
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/criminals-18th-20th-centuries.htm

Perhap this is where Charles/George was sent after the 1829 conviction and then returned to London.  As Giblet says, it's unlikely he was transported to Oz.  The newspaper article specifically mentions that he was back from transportation.

I have read a R;chat thread which discusses someone who had been sent to Bermuda and then returned, but I can't find it now. 

Judith

[giblet]

FindMyPast
Crime, Prison and punishments
Cannon   Charles    -    1829    Old Bailey, London

Would this record have a release date or if he was transported, where he was sent to? 

[abstraction]

I'm not sure if you're still researching George Cannon, but I have a lot of information about him, his ancestors, two marriages and children, including anecdotes from his grandchildren about him.

[carolmilner]

I think George may be my G G G Grandfather. ....if I am right  his daughter Mary Ann married a Henry Milner. .... can anyone confirm this for me?

Cheers Carol

[Dundee]

You would need to purchase the certificate for Mary Ann's second marriage in 1900.  It will give a place of birth, age and the names of both her parents.

Debra 

[abstraction]

My records are that Mary Ann Cannon was born 29 Jan 1852 in Launceston, and died 8 Mar 1897 in Beaconsfield Tas. If there was a second marriage in 1900 then something is amiss. I don't have good sources for her death though.

[Dundee]

The Mary CANNON who died 8 March 1897 was a married woman and was aged 36.

Mary Ann CANNON married firstly to Henry MILNER and secondly to Bruce GUNN.

Her death in 1916:

GUNN - On the 3rd October at her residence, 90 Patterson street, Mary Ann, dearly beloved wife of Bruce Gunn, aged 65 years. A patient sufferer gone to rest.

The marriage of a daughter not long after:

FISHER - MILNER - On the 19th December, 1916, by the Rev. W. J. Holt, M.A., D.D. Eric Oakley, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs. C. E. Fisher, of Launceston, to Elsie Milner, sixth daughter of the late Mr. Henry Milner and the late Mrs. B. Gunn, of Launceston.

Debra