Finlow or Finlow-Bates

[GrannyFlower]

Does anyone have any information on Thomas and Kate Finlow, of Leicester around 1920's. As i understand they had a son in 1922 (Thomas)then Thomas snr died and Kate remarried a Mr Bates and had more children. So young Thomas became Thomas Finlow-Bates, he married Lillian Wagstaff. She is still living and is my daughter-in-laws grandmother. They had a son Terry who has passed away. I am asking for information on Thomas and Kate on behalf of Terry's daughter (my daughter-in-law)who now lives in New Zealand

[lizdb]

Are you sure Thomas died and Kate remarried?

Because I see this marriage -

Jan/Feb/Mar 1923
Leicester
Ref 7a  407
Thomas Finlow to Kate Bates

Looks more as if Thomas was born prior to the marriage.

[lizdb]

Not seeing a birth for a Thomas Finlow around 1922
There is a Thomas Bates though.

I think he was born Thomas Bates, to mother Kate Bates (either illegitimate or she was previously married), then Kate Bates married Thomas Finlow and he added his stepfathers surname to his to make Finlow-Bates.

To confirm this theory you would need probably to get some certs.

[AMBLY]

Hi

If the son (ie: the husband of the still-living grandmother of your D-I-L) is the gentleman who  passed away in 2003, with a recorded dob 25 Aug 1922, registered in Leicester - his birth could  have been registered Sep Qtr or maybe the Dec Qtr of 1922 (if the dob is correct, that is!). That would fit with the Birth found under BATES in 1922, The mms for that birth is FORDER.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Not seeing any BIRTHS for FINLOW mms BATES either, post the 1923 marriage  or mms FORDER?

PROBATE: Kate FINLOW died 22 June 1960, widow of 34 Porter Street Leicester died at Hillcrest, 2 Swain Street, Leicester.  Admin 11 Oct 1960, to Leonard BATES Plasterer, £4047, 4s, 5d

Her death was registered Leicester, Jun Qtr 1960 :  Kate FINLOW age 80 (born abt 1880). If this is her then in 1923 on marrying FINLOW, she was age abt 37. 

She may have been widow FINLOW for many years, if this is her husband:
DEATH, Thomas FINLOW age 49 years, Reg Jun Qtr 1928, Leicester.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Kate's first husband was killed in WW1?
Pvt H BATES, died 2nd October 1918. Husband of Kate Finlow (formerly Bates) of 34 Porter St. Leicester
http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=2884007

The death predates the birth of  Thomas Jnr in 1922.....

MARRIAGE: Leicester - on same page, Dec Qtr 1903, Nottingham
Harvey BATES
Kate FORDER

BIRTH:
Leonard BATES, Mar Qtr 1910, Leicestershire

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Service Record:
Harvey BATES  age 33,  of 137 Kensington St, Leicester
Enlisted 1915 to the Royal Engineers, Chatham #224224
Married, Civil Occupation: Joiner
NOK: Wife, Kate BATES of the same address initially, then  later changed on the record to being of 34 Porter Street.
Particulars of Marriage:
Bride: Kate FORDEN, Spinster - whom he married  8 Nov 1903 at  Nottingham. Present address of wife: at the enlistment: 137 Kensington St, later changed to 34 Porter Street.
Particulars of Children
Harvey b 3 Apr 1906 at 147 Curzon St, Leicester
Albert b 15 Jul 1907 at 147 Curzon St, Leicester
Leonard b 3 Feb 1910 at 137 Kensington St
Plus 2 more males, b 1914 and 1916 - not naming, they could still be alive.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

So it appears, your DIL's grandfather was illegitimate - in as much as his mother was an 'un-remarried' widow BATES, nee FORDER when he was conceived and born. His birth registration shows a middle initial of F. This could be for FORDER or for FINLOW - if the latter (you'll prob need the Birth Cert to find out), then highly likely Thomas FINLOW was his natural father (and himself *perhaps* not free to marry Kate prior to their 1923 marriage).

Cheers
AMBLY

[GrannyFlower]

Thank you everyone, It does appear I have the families in the wrong order . First came Bates and all the children then came Finlow with the one child. Even with my mistake you have given us sooo much more information. She will be wrapped to have some names for her tree and to know which line to follow. Poor Kate widowed twice with so many children.

[willsy]

Baptisms

St Matthews
BATES   HARVEY FREDERICK   1906   HARVEY & KATE   03-Jun

St Mark
BATES   FRANK   HARVEY & KATE    1914   25-Nov
BATES   LEONARD   HARVEY & KATE   1914   24-Nov
BATES       ALBERT   HARVEY & KATE   1914   25-Nov

Can only look up to 1921 in these churches