JOHN CORDIAL transportation to Darlinghurst 1854

[Brian1]

I have an ancester born in 1826 in Galway, Ireland who would appear to have been transported to Australia around 1854 and to have ended up in Darlinghurst goal NSW.
Are there any prison records online that can shed any light as to his crime and the date of his entrance to Darlinghurst. I think he would have been out of prison as he was in Sydney in 1865 and married a Mary Margaret Carling in 1859 in Newcastle NSW. He died later in New Zealand in 1881

[muss]

Hi

Information on marriage on this site  http://www.jenwilletts.com/search.htm

Muss

[muss]

Hi

He may not be the convict John Cordial  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13027723?searchTerm=cordial  john&searchLimits=fromyyyy=1859|||frommm|||fromdd|||toyyyy=1859|||tomm|||todd

Muss

[Brian1]

Many thanks Muss. It worked a treat. Just entered his name and details of the marriage came straight away
Many thanks
Brian

[Brian1]

Hi Muss,
I have the details of the marriage, but I also had details of a John Cordial aboard a convict which unfortunately i have mislaid. I suspect it is the same person as the surname Cordial is quite rare and the dates also tally.
I was trying to get the reason for his transportation.
Brian

[Brian1]

Just found the details of John's transportation. He came over on the Matchless and his goal number was 1319.

[majm]

Transportation of convicted persons from Britain effectively ceased to NSW in 1840. 

The Matchless came from California to Sydney.

ADD : 1319 and 1320 ARE THE PRISONERS MENTIONED IN THE CUTTING BELOW   

There is an index at NSW State Records Office that shows a John CORDIAL aged 27, a crewman on the ship Maria arriving from Melbourne to Sydney.  The remarks column of the index has “Stewart, Scotland”.  The actual image shows that John Cordial was the ship’s Stewart and he was from Scotland and the ship arrived in Sydney on May 15 1855.   

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=43

Ancestry has a partnership arrangement with NSW SRO, whereby SOME of the NSW SRO holdings from part of their archives that are held on microfilm (most of the archives are not yet on microfilm), have been uploaded to Ancestry’s subscription site.

There’s a John Cordial, aged 28, from Hobart to Sydney on the Violar, arriving 25 Nov 1856.  That chap was the Cook and Steward.  All the crew are noted as England.


The 1854 Darlinghurst Gaol mention has John Cordial, born 1827, ex the Matchless, and standing 4ft 8, slight build, fresh complexion, can read and write.

TROVE
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12954370 SMH  30 May 1854
Christopher Murray, Alfred Moss and John Cordier, three seaman attached to the schooner Matchless, were charged with stealing portions of the cargo….  Captain Webster stated that he had commanded the vessel during her last voyage from San Francisco….. determined to take proceedings against the prisoners at Honolulu ….. not a British port ….. wait until he got to Sydney …… He frequently saw the cook (Cordier) …. Bottle or two and stow them away under his bunk …… Moss and Cordier to twelve weeks’ imprisonment with hard labour.  The other man was discharged …. Not sufficient to sustain conviction”

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Wondering if this is your man

1841 Wales Census
District Infantry Barracks
Llanllwchaiar, Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Elizabeth Cordial   35, b Ireland
John Cordial   15, b Ireland
Eliza Cordial   9, b "F" ?
Maria Cordial   7, b "F" ?
Margaret Cordial   10 Mo, not born in Montgomeryshire

There are quite few family groups at these barracks, some with women and children some with whole families.  Men's occupations given as 'soldier'.

There is also this unassisted passage from Tasmania
John CORDIAL, 30, cook and steward, English
Port of Departure:   Hobart, Tasmania
Port of Arrival:   Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date:   25 Nov 1856
Vessel Name:   Violar

The list says he is English but shipping records are often wrong. This is a small ship with 2 passengers and 6 crew.

The 1854  entry in Gaol Description and Entrance Books does not give his crime unfortunately, only some physical characteristics plus infromation that you already have:
John Cordial, 27
Birth Year:   1827
Arrived 1854 per Matchless
Date of Admission/Photo:   1854
Gaol:   Darlinghurst New South Wales
Record Type:   Description Book

JM's find from TROVE would explain why he went directly to gaol.

Would a cook/steward gaol prisoner be marrying only 5 years later as a 'clerk from London'?  Possible

Judith

[Neil Todd]

I am a little mystified by your John being transported to NSW 1854, are you sure you have the right bloke. TRANSPORTATION to NSW stopped around 1842?

Neil