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Question about the registration index books
« on: Saturday 07 December 13 18:42 GMT (UK) »
I've looked up a probable relative using FreeBDM,  and I have looked at their scan of the page in the printed book which they have transcribed.  The scan is quite clear and I looked at both copies.

And after his name,  it has the initials  G.F.S.     Now did his family suddenly invent another 3 middle names,  or is this an acronym for something else ?

The line in the book says
CLUNEY Henry James G.F.S.  62  Lambeth  1d 240

and it is from the Jan-Mar quarter of 1881.

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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 December 13 19:03 GMT (UK) »
Henry James Cluney's death WAS registered with the G.F.S. added. Why we do not know. Registrars were not known for adding more than they were required to. If that were the case one of my in laws was awarded the VC during WW1. when he died should have be registered with VC which was not the case.

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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 December 13 19:11 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: barryd on Saturday 07 December 13 19:03 GMT (UK)
Henry James Cluney's death WAS registered with the G.F.S. added. Why we do not know. Registrars were not known for adding more than they were required to. If that were the case one of my in laws was awarded the VC during WW1. when he died should have be registered with VC which was not the case.

So is G.F.S.  the name of some award or decoration ?   Or like, he was a member of the Royal Society FRS,  or the College of Surgeons or the MCC ?   I tried googling to see if that was some obvious acronym that I didn't know,   I didn't come up with anything.   

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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 December 13 23:56 GMT (UK) »
You may have to purchase the death cert from the GRO unless another online record comes up with the answer.
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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 December 13 00:13 GMT (UK) »
He just calls himself Henry Cluney on his second marriage. Do you know when his first marriage was ?

(Same on the baptism of his daughter in 1853)

I see he was a tailor. The letters GFS don't go with that as far as I know
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 December 13 09:09 GMT (UK) »
The GRO Indexes are the name and surname as entered in column 2 of the death certificate, there should be nothing else entered in this column, such as decorations or qualifications, although titles will be e.g. Grosvenor Hugh Lupus (Duke Of Westminster) 74 Wimborne 5a 180, Dec 1899. The clerks making the indexes would copy exactly what is entered, and wouls assume that G.F.S. are his initials. As dawnsh suggests you could get a copy of the certificate, but this will just show what is in the index.

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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 December 13 09:49 GMT (UK) »
The name and initials on the certificate are those given to the registrar by the informant, the registrar would have no way of knowing if they were correct, and would accept what he was  told. Also the name would be what he was known by at his death by the informant, and not nesessarily what is on his birth certificate.

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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 December 13 10:13 GMT (UK) »
If the cert were purchased,wouldn't it at least show what the initials G F S stood for?
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Re: Question about the registration index books
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 December 13 10:21 GMT (UK) »
So it would appear to be pointless to get this certificate -   this person is not a direct relative.   If it just says GFS on there.   

I don't even think the middle name James is kosher,  because the only place it appears is when he died.   I have dozens of certificates from that era,   where people who were born in the early decades of the nineteenth century died,   they were apparently embarrased by the fact that they had no middle names,  so they made one up.
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