Green families farming in the Bolnhurst area. Were they related?

[perthman]

I think I have found the burial of William Green, farmer of Bolnhurst whose will was proved Dec 1818. - At Little Staughton, grave 0169 has a Limestone/headstone/4'high/3'wide/facing West/ engraved:                   
'In memory of/WILLIAM GREEN/who departed this life/July 21 1818/aged 71 years'.
[THE MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS OF THE BAPTIST CHAPEL LITTLE STAUGHTON BEDFORDSHIRE]

This implies his birth was in 1746/1747 - sufficiently close to 24 Nov 1745 for this William to be the William baptised at Dean by Thomas & Elizabeth Green?

Recently, I managed to spend a half-day in the Bedford and Huntingdon Archives. Nowhere near long enough. At Bedford I searched the Francklin papers. They are very extensive; the index is a small book. Four folders looked promising: FN 1001, FN 1002, FN 1008, FN1009. Sadly, FN1001 and FN1008 are 'too fragile' to be available to the public. So that avenue of research is closed!
Intriguingly, a half year rent bill for Crowhill Farm dated 8jan1824 was made out to Mr William Green while the half year rent bill the following year (13jan1825) was made out to Mr John Green.

[johnP-bedford]

I think I have found the burial of William Green, farmer of Bolnhurst whose will was proved Dec 1818. - At Little Staughton, grave 0169 has a Limestone/headstone/4'high/3'wide/facing West/ engraved: "In memory of/WILLIAM GREEN/who departed this life/July 21 1818/aged 71 years'.
[THE MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS OF THE BAPTIST CHAPEL LITTLE STAUGHTON BEDFORDSHIRE]

I think you are right, these monumental inscriptions can be downloaded from.....
http://www.colmworthhistory.org.uk/#/other-downloads/4531713997

....as it also includes the grave of Mary Bowker age 30 (165) daughter of Samuel & Anna Bowker who is mentioned in his will.

There is another William Green & ANNA wife of William Green plus 3 children of William & Anna, but am not sure if these relate to the William Green buried 1818

[perthman]

Mary Bowker's grave - well spotted John. I simply searched the list for Green and missed it. Mary baptised Jan 1776, died March 1817 so aged 41 but 30 on the gravestone. It seems you can't believe everything you read on gravestones.

There are eleven Green graves in the Little Staughton Baptist graveyard (twelve counting Mary).

I suspect they are mostly one family; that graves 0162-0169 (1803-1827) were a sort of family plot for William that ran out of space, so that graves 0151-0153 (1853-1891) had to be located away from the main group. Grave 0182 (1841) may be unrelated.

I think the little group of graves 0151-0153 are the family of Samuel Green and Sophia (nee. Cant)

0153 SAMUEL GREEN who died 4th Sept 1866 aged 68 years [so born ~1798]
  /also SOPHIA his widow who died 9th June 1884 aged 84 years [so born ~1800]

where
* Samuel is the son of William (grave 0169) and Anna Green, born 1798/99
* 3 June 1800 Sophia Cant christened at Great Staughton, Huntingdon, father Thos. Cant, mother Ann
* 7 June 1825 marriage Samuel Green and Sophia Cant at Great Staughton, Huntingdon. The marriage was by licence and Samuel Green made an oath that he and Sophia were over 21 and that she had lived in Great Staughton 'for the space of 15 days last past', and described himself as a yeoman
* 1861 census, Samuel (62) and Sophia (61) are farming Backnoe End
* 1871 census, Sophia (71) retired farmers wife living in New St, St Neots; 1881 census, Sophia (81) still in New St, St Neots

0152 WILLIAM GREEN son of SAMUEL & SOPHIA GREEN who died July 6th 1853 age 24 years

* in 1851 census William is a widower, age 22, born Bolnhurst, living at Backnoe End with his parents.

0151  SARAH JANE the wife of SAMUEL GREEN who died November 17th 1889 aged 62 years [so born ~1827]
  /also in memory of SAMUEL GREEN born August 24th 1834 died October 7th 1891

* Samuel born August 24th 1834 was I believe son of Samuel & Sophia Green, and took over Backnoe End farm from his parents
* marriage registered October-December 1866 Samuel Green and Sarah J Robinson, (St Neots, Hunts, Page 0689 Volume 3B)
* 1871 census Backnoe End: Green Samuel (36) head, born Bolnhurst, Beds, farmer of 256 Acres employing 8 men 3 boys;
  Green Sarah J (40) wife, born Carlton, Beds. In 1881 census location is called Mount Pleasant, ages are 46 and 52.

I suspect the graves 0162-0169 all relate to William Green who died 1818 (grave 0169) but I haven't got my head around them yet.

0169 WILLIAM GREEN who died July 21 1818 aged 71 years, so born 1746/1747 (and who wrote the will in 1813)

Grave 0164 is particularly interesting - this Anna Green is the right age to be William's mother. So perhaps there is a marriage William Green/Anna unknown in about 1742-1747? Haven't found it yet.

0164 ANNA GREEN wife of WILLIAM GREEN who died on the 23rd October 1815 age 90 [so born 1724/1725]

[Hemmum]

Not sure if this helps you find the marriage of William Green to an Ann ??
(still trying to find my missing Sabey marriages, again NC!!). But Anna Green who married John Hartop in 1807 at Bolnhurst was the daughter of a William and Anna Green as when the Hartop children births were registered at Dr Williams Library in London.
William Hartop of Keysoe Row in the Parish of Keysoe Beds born 1808 reg 1815 son of  John Hartop and Anna Green daughter of William and Anna Green
Then Benjamin born 1810 reg 1815, Samuel born 1812 reg 1815, John Born 1814 reg 1816.

Again sure if it is relevant but John Sabey a Baptist had a Farm at Blacknoe which passed to his son William then to his daughter Sarah who married Hartop.

[perthman]

Thank you Hemmum

The Anna Green (1782-1863) who married John Hartop in 1807 was the daughter of William Green (1746-1818) and Anna Green (1756?-1850?)(nee Bridgeford) who William married as the widow Anna Bowker in 1781. This William Green is buried in grave 0169. If gravestone 0164 is to be believed, William Green's parents may also have been a William and Anna, married in a time frame say 1742 (Anna 18) to 1746/7 (William jnr born)

I think at one stage you mentioned an interest in the names Howkins/Hawkins. If you haven't already looked at the monumental inscriptions in
http://www.colmworthhistory.org.uk/#/other-downloads/4531713997 there are 3 graves for Howkins, 1 for Houchen, 5 for Ekins and 9 for Hawkins. No Sabeys.

And in case you haven't seen it, while in the Archives I found a document 'Inhabitants of Boulne-Hurst 22may1750' with a list of farmers including the entry

Farmers        Denom   Landlord        Rent
...
Saby     John   Diss   John Lawson Esq    45       Backenhoe (Hse)

[Hemmum]

Hi Perthman
My interest is Sabey , Elms and White. I have looked at the other families out of interest and wondered who looked after 'my' Francis Sabey after his mother died in 1774.

John Sabey was probably Francis' grandfather and John Lawson owned John's farm

From the 1750 census there was a non-conformists John Saby, farmer, of Backenhoo House. His landlord was John Lawson & the rent was £45.00. 8 people recorded as living in his household

My notes re Blacknoe.
The MANOR OF BACKENHO in Thurleigh was owed by John Lawson in 1738 and 1739. In 1753 John Lawson, probably a son and Theodosia his wife were in possession.
Later two other manors grew out of this and became more important - Whitwick known as Thurleigh Hall and Backnoe. None of the older manor houses has survived although the present Blackburn Hall contains chimneys from an earlier dwelling.. in 1707 Blackborne Hall was purchased by Sir Nathan Wright. He died in 1727 and was succeeded by his son Sir Nathan Wright, who in 1733 sold this property to Robert Bell, the maternal grandfather of William Wade Gery, in whose family the property has remained, the present owner being Mr. W. H. Wade-Grey.
The MANOR OF BACKENHO is first found mentioned in 1377
George Smythe was holding the manor in 1637, but in 1672 had given place to William Smythe, whose name occurs in settlements of the manor in 1674, 1682, and finally in 1693, in which year a genuine alienation took place to John Lawson. The latter held Backenho in 1738 and 1739. In 1753 John Lawson, probably a son of the above, and Theodosia his wife were in possession, and between this date and 1792 it passed to James Stuart and May his wife. This property was retained by the Stuarts till late into the 19th century. In 1860 Colonel George Stuart died owning Backenho, at this time a farm, which he left to his nephew.

BACKNOE END, a hamlet in the parish of Thurleigh, 1 mile north of Thurleigh. Backnoe End Farm was n of Backnoe End left off Keysoe Rd opposite turn to Rd to College Farm

[perthman]

I wonder if the Anna Green buried in grave 0164 could be the Hannah Baxter reported in the Community Contributed IGI as marrying William Green in Titchmarsh, Northampton on 6 November 1743 (or William Greene on 6 November 1744, depending on who you believe).
Titchmarsh is just 8 or 9 miles from Nether Dean. Hannah would have been about 18 or 19.

[perthman]

To answer my own question: the Titchmarsh PR rules this out: it has 6 Nov 1743 marriage William Green & Hannah Baxter botp; 22 Nov 1745 baptism Mary d/o Wm and Hannah Green; 31 May 1748 baptism Hannah d/o Wm and Hannah Green; but no baptism of a William Green jnr. Presumably, had they had a son they would have baptised him.

The Community Contributed IGI lists 13 William Green/Ann marriages throughout England during 1740-1746 but most were in locations a long way from Nether Dean. Any one of them is possible but Green is a common name and all are probably irrelevant.

The Community Contributed IGI does mention one other marriage in Northants: 20 April 1741 William Green of Woodford, Northamptonshire (birth: about 1715) married Ann Coleman at Eydon, Northamptonshire. This looked promising because although Eydon is about 40 miles from Nether Dean, Woodford is near Thrapston. However the Eydon PR has 20 Apr 1741 marriage William GREEN otp to Ann COLEMAN otp. So the Woodford is presumably Woodford Halse, not Woodford by Thrapston. Hard to see why the couple would move the 40 miles to the Nether Dean area.

The only other prospect at this stage is William Green, birth: 4 Nov 1745, christening: 4 January 1754 Holywell-cum-Needingworth, Huntingdon, father: William Green. The father is not baptising infants and the birth date is close. No mother's name recorded.

[Jackie Nicholson]

Hi, I came across your info on the net, Sophia Cant's parents would be Thomas Cant and Ann Hansen/Hensen. Thomas Cant is my 3rd Great Grandfather, my GG Grandfather, George Cant was born in Great Staughton, Huntingdon in 1798 and round about 1839 he got a free trip to Tasmania, and then went onto South Australia in about 1839 when his wife died 1840.