trying to connect the puzzle pieces

[rosiesblossoms]

i am hoping please that someone can help with a resolution and connection please.
my gg grandparents  James and Sarah Brown [neeClayton] had four children,but the one that i am interested in is RachelBrown.
Rachel married John Clayton from Derbyshire.
Is this John Clayton related to Sarah Clayton at all.
If so how please it is very confusing indeed as you can see.
There was also an Ann Clayton who married a William Shirt where  does she fit into the equation
Were her and Sarah sisters?
Rachel Brown was born in 1879-1952.
The Brown family was from Pott Shrigley,Cheshire.
JohnClaytons parents were John and Edna Clayton from Poynton,Cheshire i am lead to believe.
Please any help to solve this puzzle would be greatly appreciated
Thank you so much

[sunflower]

Hi

Can you give a little more information please

When & where did James marry Sarah Clayton?

When & where did Rachel marry John Clayton?

Carol

[crisane]

Marriage FreeBMD. One name of groom missing.
date of Registration - Jun 1/4 1907
Registration District - Macclesfield  Cheshire
Vol 8a Page 280
Names on page
 Alice Brown 
 Rachael Brown 
 John Clayton

A possible for the missing groom
Marriages Jun 1/4 1907   
James Brindley Macclesfield  8a 2* 

 

[crisane]

John Clayton born Poynton c1877, occupation labourer according to the census record after their marriage. However a tree on ancestry has him born 1874 Poynton and parents John and Edna but they are not showing a marriage cert as source of this info just census and death records from FreeBMD

There are quite a few births of a John Clayton 1874 - 1877 in Cheshire.  It is possible that John knocked a couple of years off his age to bring him closer to Rachel's age.
There is also a John Clayton born 1877 at Poynton living in Blackpool in 1901 but he is a police constable.  Unlikely he would leave that job to go back to Cheshire to become a labourer?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

so this is John with him family in Poynton in 1881

John Clayton    45 b Prestbury, coal miner
Edna Clayton    41
Alice M.M. Clayton    18
Joseph Clayton    17
Sarah Clayton    16
William Clayton    12
Hannah M. Clayton    9
John Clayton    7
Thos.A. Clayton    5
Edna Clayton    3
Harry Clayton    1
Lavinia Clayton    
   
In other censuses John senior gives his place of birth as Adlington, Cheshire

this looks to be John snr and parents in Poynton in 1851
John Clayton    32
Sarah Clayton    32
John Barber Clayton    14
Martha Clayton    7
Noah Clayton    11 Mo
   
Ref  RG11, 3487, 101, 32


Looking for a Sarah Clayton, later to become Brown, whose birthplace seems to mainly say  Poynton,  there are two about the same age in the area, daughters of Ralph and Ellen and David and Phoebe.

Right - shes david's daughter. See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F3XC-J63

I would say there is a possiblity John jnr and Rachel are related - possibly their grandfathers (John & David) are brothers, but there are a few Claytons in the area and some more detailed searching is needed.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

David Clayton b c1811, Adlington

Baptism https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F3B3-G77
Son of Ralph and Elizabeth

I can see that Ralph & Elizabeth also had a John, but he was born c1813, rather than the 1819 suggested by the 1851 census. John Barber Clayton and his siblings are scattered about after 1861, and I cannot find his parents to see if the 1851 entry for his age is out

[John clayton]

Im John Edward Clayton born 1960 my dad was John Clayton his dad my grandad was RICHARD CLAYTON my NAN was Edith Clayton WAS DOLAN... My great grandad was john PENRITH CLAYTON... We have PHEOBE PENRITH she married my GREAT GREAT GRANDAD RICHARD CLAYTON any of these in yours....

[rosie99]

Im John Edward Clayton born 1960 my dad was John Clayton his dad my grandad was RICHARD CLAYTON my NAN was Edith Clayton WAS DOLAN... My great grandad was john PENRITH CLAYTON... We have PHEOBE PENRITH she married my GREAT GREAT GRANDAD RICHARD CLAYTON any of these in yours....

Just to give some idea of dates and places

Marriage June qtr 1927 
Clayton    Richard   
Dolan    Edith   
Fylde reg district    8e   1593

....
28 May 1871 St John, Preston, Lancashire
Richard Clayton -  20, occ Beamer, Bachelor, abode Springfield Rd
Phoebe Penrith -  22, occ Spinner, Spinster, abode Duke St East
Groom's Father: William Clayton, occ Slasher
Bride's Father: James Penrith, occ Laborer
Witnesses - Thomas Penrith & Catherine Cullen