Author Topic: William James Summers born in Stockport Looking for his Father  (Read 9459 times)

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« Reply #27 on: Thursday 05 December 13 13:31 GMT (UK) »

Its all a mystery to me,


According to the evidence you have found so far:

William Summers / William James Summers / or James Summers was born about 1861/1862.
1889  Marriage certificate living in Newport, occupation Seaman which gives his age as 28 so born about 1861.
1891  Census living in Newport which gives his age as 29 so born about 1862.
1901  Census living in Newport which gives his age as 39 so born about 1862.
1911  His wife Edith and family are living in Blyth Northumberland by the sea.  She is married so he is still alive at this time.  As a Seaman he is possibly on board ship.
1907  He is named on the baptism of his daughter baptised at Blyth, Northumberland so still alive.
1919  He is named as the father at his son’s wedding in Glasgow.  Edith Agnes is named as mother but she is (deceased).  It does not say (deceased) after his name so it would be fair to assume he is still alive in 1919.

It is possible that the family moved from Northumberland to Scotland possibly to Ardrossan or Glasgow after 1911.  If they did then it may be worth looking for his death in Scotland.  I don’t know much about Scottish records but I believe that the parents are named on the death certificate.  It is possible that his parents names are unknown by the informant of course but worth a try. If you do look for his death then keep in mind the variations of his name that have been used in the other documents.
The Scotlands People website have all the records.
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 12 December 13 12:59 GMT (UK) »
I found a death for William james summers,he died on the 20th October 1922, and a probate record in 1924,is effects went to Edith Agnes Johnson,wife of Martin Johnson.
I cant find a marriage for edith agnes.
Ive sent for a death certificate for William james summers,to make sure its him.
On the death registration,it gives his birth has about 1864.
Id still like to find a birth for him,so I can get his birth certificate.
On William James summers marriage certificate,his father is William (deceased) gives his fathers occupation as farm bailiff,.

any more help would be much appreciated, Thank you
hough,williams,bradley,winterton.lomas

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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 12 December 13 13:12 GMT (UK) »

I cant find a marriage for edith agnes.


There is a marriage December Quarter 1922 Registration District Tynemouth reference 10b 303
Martin Johansen and Edith A Summers.
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« Reply #30 on: Thursday 12 December 13 16:51 GMT (UK) »
thank you for that :)
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« Reply #31 on: Thursday 12 December 13 17:54 GMT (UK) »
Although civil registration started in 1837, it wasn't compulsory for parents to register births until 1875 so there may not be a cert to find. Before 1875 the onus was on the registrars to go around their district to collect births.

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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 17 December 13 15:53 GMT (UK) »
any more help would be much appreciated, Thank you

Found at The National Archives website online collection search:
Medal Card for James Summers, born Stockport 1863
Registry of Shipping and Seaman - First World War Merchant Marine Medals....

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Home/OnlineCollections
Just enter this ref in the search box:
BT 351/1/136407

I know it isn't exactly correct but it has the right criteria - William or James + Summers + Stockport + born about 1861 to 1864
No guarantee but might be your William James Summers.
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« Reply #33 on: Thursday 26 December 13 21:44 GMT (UK) »
thank you for that information,sorry I didn`t reply straight away,ive been on holidays
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« Reply #34 on: Thursday 26 December 13 23:19 GMT (UK) »

Ive sent for a death certificate for William james summers,to make sure its him.


Did you get a death certificate? A transcription would be interesting and might have a clue to finding his birth.
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« Reply #35 on: Friday 27 December 13 07:45 GMT (UK) »
I won`t get it till the new year now,but thanks so much for your help
hough,williams,bradley,winterton.lomas