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Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« on: Thursday 28 November 13 20:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I have an address for my mother's birth in 1930 on Cragside Place in Blyth.  I can't seem to track it down on current maps or a 1930s one  ???  From net searches it seems to be somewhere around Cowpen Quay ??  Does anyone know exactly where it was located or is it called something else now ?

thanks, Pete
Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
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Southgate / Essex
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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 November 13 21:52 GMT (UK) »
It is Craigside Place Google Street Views http://goo.gl/maps/74Etu and http://goo.gl/maps/6yN2E

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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 November 13 22:57 GMT (UK) »
That is terrific Stan  :)  ...spelling was from a note by mother on back of an old wedding invitation.   

Am I right in assuming that the terrace of houses is called "Craigside Place" but the road itself has always been Disraeli Street as all the old maps just have that name (thus my problem in finding it).  Have found a few like that before  ::)

thanks, Pete

Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire

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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 November 13 08:50 GMT (UK) »
The houses on the other side of Disraeli Street are called Cragside Place, it looks as though the person making the name plates was not sure of the spelling http://goo.gl/maps/xGGWq the other houses are called Cragside Terrace http://goo.gl/maps/18679 It was not unusual for rows of houses on a main  road to be called *** Terrace, but I've not come across *** Place before.
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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 November 13 09:10 GMT (UK) »
In 1911 all the houses are listed as  Disraeli Street but two returns have Cragside Place and Craigside Place which has bee crossed out and Disraeli Street added, probably by the enumerator.
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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 November 13 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the extra detail Stan, that's really quite bizarre.  I'm suspecting the locals, including my mother, went with the name carved on the wall and whichever spelling was nearest their house ??!!

This map is a very good example of use of both "Place" & "Terrace" along a main road. This is from Stepney, east London.  Luckily some helpful soul put me on to this map edition so I could find the one I was looking for there as the census enumerator there used all the the place/terrace names not the road or street one.

Pete
Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire

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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 November 13 12:34 GMT (UK) »
This is a new one for me. Wonderful! There used to be a branchline which ran across this part of Blyth to the Cowpen North Pit and a lime kiln at Cowpen Quay / Crofton Mills. On the east side of the line were all the terraces from Goschen Street all the way down to Station Street. Building started on the west side of the line which I believe was out of use by 1900. The new buildings / terraces on the west side were built in true alignment with the then existing terraces though the trackbed of the old railway had at that point not been removed. It would seem at least in the cases of Craigside Terrace and Place that once the line was removed, Disraeli Street and others were just naturally extended and or incorporated with the original streets on the east side of the line. Very interesting. The alignment of the old track is still traceable across the rows of houses as per a map I marked out, that can be seen here;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51893012@N05/10462576154/

You can check it against this map on Northumberland Communities;

http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/005986FS.htm

There are still various gaps and diagonal lines on roofs and property boundaries etc. that can be seen today.

I wonder where Craigside as a name came from? Perhaps it was the name of the field that the houses were built on?

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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 November 13 12:57 GMT (UK) »
I love old maps  ;D  ...that really shows how the area developed into formal grid from the previous "organic" lines.

I wonder where Craigside as a name came from?

Can't see any crags nearby... or Craigs  :-[

Total punt but is there any connection to Blyth for William Armstrong of Cragside house ?  Was this area in his business empire ?  Actually one wonders how well naming a street after a Tory PM aristocrat dandy went down in a pit area  :-X

Pete
Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire

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Re: Cragside Place - Blyth - location ??
« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 November 13 12:58 GMT (UK) »
While we're on Disreali Street....why was Morpeth Road School (old one ) so called? There is no Morpeth Road in the area?

Was Cowpen Road known as "the Morpeth road" locally?
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Scotland: Dempster, Henderson, Jackson, M(a)cMillan, M(a)cLanders
Ireland (Co.Mayo): Monaghan, Costello

+ all variations of above names.