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[majm]

Looking for information on John Boustead Kelsall who emigrated to Australia.

He was born in Ashton under Mersey, Cheshire UK in 1840 and was last located on the 1861 census.

The only information I have found for him in Australia is from the Crown Land Sales in Queensland.

There is a suspicion that he may have married and then divorced. Can't find any records of these events in UK.

Poirot

Re the Electoral Roll sightings in Queensland noted by bme and by Gerry  and Gerry's sighting re Jeanie Hastie KELSALL with Vic connections.

I have been tidying up my desk, and here's some notes I made and overlooked posting to follow up on Gerry's sighting.

 I think that there’s some confusion about John Kelsall.

I think the three people on the Queensland Electoral Rolls are from Victoria.  I think that John KELSALL and Martha HASTIE married in Victoria and are the couple on the Qld electoral roll 1900, 1903 and 1905 etc at Kinglebilla Station in Queensland.

I think that some Victoria BDM certificates would help to sort out the confusion.

From the sighting for Jeanie Hastie KELSALL that  I can see the following at various online indexes:


In 1878, John KELSALL married Martha HASTIE.   The Vic BDM ref #725.   The details found on Vic BDMs include details about the birth place for both the bride and the groom,  their respective parents (names, nee names, occupations, etc) and a great deal of additional family history details.

There is a death in 1935 at Malvern, Vic, at age 83 for a Martha KELSALL, dau of Thos Hastie and Jane Smith.  The Ref no. 4453. I think you will find that that Martha KELSALL was a married woman, perhaps with real estate in NSW as well as in Vic.   NSW SRO has Martha Kelsall’s death as 6 June 1935, with Probate Granted 3 Sept 1935.
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/


Vic BDM online index for births with parents as John KELSALL and Martha, nee HASTIE.  There may be others, I did not double check my skimmed look.

1878 Jeanie Hastie KELSALL # 26339
1880 John Murray HELSALL #25937
1883 Thomas Hastie KELSALL # 27262
1886, Mary KELSALL #7061
1888 Mary Shepherd KELSALL #34133
1891 Elsie Martha Emily HELSALL #18003
1893 Annie Kathleen KELSALL, #27317
1895 Martha King Fleming KELSALL #25329


There is also the PROV index :
Jeanie Hastie KELSALL, Spinster, of Malvern  21 April 1969
John Kelsall, Ex Grazier, of Malvern, 8 Jan 1936
Martha Kelsall, Married of Malvern, 6 June 1935 (So I suggest that the NSW Probate likely sealed and returned to Victoria, as death registered in Vic. 
Martha King Fleming HART, Widow, of Kew, 5 Sept 1978

Re John KELSALL, ex Grazier who died 8 Jan 1936
Names of his immediate family including Martha Kelsall, his wife having predeceased him, Jeanie Hastie Kelsall, Martha King Fleming Hart, and Thomas Hastie Kelsall.   
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11872641 The Argus 13 Jan 1936    Just like in the instance of Martha KELSALL, so too for this John KELSALL, there’s a NSW Probate Packet indexed at NSW SRO’s Archives Investigator (death 8 Jan 1936, Probate 24 April 1936)

Also at NSW SRO’s Archives Investigator there’s a Probate for Thomas Hastie Kelsall, date 13 Nov 1962, Probate 17 July 1963.

ADD
What's on Vic Certs 
 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html


Cheers,  JM
 

[Aussie1947]

John Bowstead Kelsal held deed No 10773 for 20 acres in the County of Murchison Parish of St Lawrence.

1865
Vol 14 Folio 27
Book 12/01/1900
Page 375
ID 45782.

This Parish is in Central Queensland north of Rockhampton.

Gerry

[majm]

Well found Gerry. 



Cheers,  JM

[cando]

Looking for information on John Boustead Kelsall who emigrated to Australia.

He was born in Ashton under Mersey, Cheshire UK in 1840 and was last located on the 1861 census.

This is not your John KELSALL.

Marriage
KELSALL John born Melbourne
HASTIE Martha  born Bunninyong
1878  Reg#725

Death - this person born c1854
KELSALL John
Father John  Mother Mary  SHEPHERD
At Malvern  82 years  1936  Reg#314

John's birth is not registered in Victoria however there are eight children born to John KELSALL and Mary SHEPHERD at Bunninyong with the first registered in 1855.  Civil registration commenced Jul 1856 and it doesn't appear that John's baptism [ie if he was baptised] was forwarded by the church to the Victorian Registry for inclusion in their records.

Cando

[Aussie1947]

If I can get to the Qld State Archives I'll have a look at the Immigration Land Order microfilm for John Kelsall. it will likely refere to the 20 acres at St Lawrence.

I searched the Qld Gazettes and Police Gazettes today and found nothing on J B Kelsall.  If our J. B. Kelsall did head north (maybe from Rockhampton) to his 20 acres he more than likey found it too small to do anything with it and got rid of it then he may have headed to the mining areas.

I could not find him on any 1860, 1870 and 1880 Qld Electoral Rolls.

Gerry

[poirot]

Thank you so much Gerry and anyone else who has contributed. A lot to take in.

John Boustead Kelsall was definitely born in Ashton under Mersey UK in 1840 as we have a copy of the certificate. He would only have been about 23 when he emigrated to Australia.

I have emailed the Archives to ask if they would look at that film for me but don't know if they do research outside of Australia so it would be great if you would be so kind as to look at the film for me.

John is the mystery man in the family as his emigration to Australia was only confirmed when I found him on the Crown Land Sales in Queensland.

Many thanks,
poirot

[Aussie1947]

Hi,

Had a look at the Selection of Land Order images today at the Qld State Archives and the following was revealed about John B Kelsall.

The images are fairly basic and all that was revealed is that John B Kelsall paid his own way and came to Queensland as a Land Order Immigrant on the 'Bayswater' in June 1864.  A Land Order was issued to John B Kelsall on 20th June 1864 and delivered on 28th June 1864 and this was to the value of 18 pound.

So by July 1864 John B Kelsall had a Land Order voucher worth 18 pound to purchase a block of land some where in Queensland (I think within 2 years of issue).

The Qld State Archives did not hold microfilm for the voyage of the 'Bayswater' in 1864 there was some information indicating that John B Kelsall was 24 years old and the vessel arrived in Brisbane via Kepple Bay from Greenock.  The Brisbane Courier Friday 17th June 1864 has a good write up on this voyage and the 'Bayswater' left Liverpool on 25th January 1864 arriving Greenock 30th then leaving Greenock on 5th February arriving at Keppel Bay on 23rd May 1864 then onto Brisbane.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1259154?searchTerm=

On 2d February 1865 John John Bowstead Kelsall of Brisbane purchased 20 acres under Deed No 10,773 in the Parish of St Lawrence the County of Murchison. This was entered in the Register of Land Purchases 'A' at the Surveyor General's Office  under book 13 Folio 375 on 24th March 1865.   The cost for this purchase was 30 pound so he would have had his 18 pound voucher so he had to throw in another 12 quid to get the 20 acre block.

After that date I can't find anything else on John B Kelsall,  I have photographed a copy of the original deed (2 pages) if you would like it send a PM with your email.

Gerry

[poirot]

Hi Gerry,

It is so long since I sent a PM that I have forgotten how.

Help please.

Poirot

[Aussie1947]

Click on my name 'Aussie1947' and my profile should come up, select PM then go from there.

Gerry