Where to look for a burial?

[Nettie]

I contacted Deansgrange via email recently and they very helpful. They do require a date of death (not sure about just having a year)  either way, it's worth a try.

[dathai]

just a scenario for you to consider my uncle died about 10 years ago he was cremated and the urn was secretly buried in a relatives grave,so there is no record other than what close family know.

[trelawn1984]

Thanks Dathai, something similar had crossed my mind but I'll check out Deansgrange first just to rule it out. Thanks for all the suggestions guys 

[grizzly1]

Just a suggestion/thought, is it possible he may have been buried with family..where was he from originally Dublin or other County, if he was orinially from outside Dublin he may have been brought 'home' to be buried in family plot...I would check out family deaths shortly before or after his death.
best of luck.

[Colur]

Hi Trelawn,
Do you have an exact date of death for Francis Saul? i note that there is an entry for the second quarter of 1922 in the BMD records and as I hope to visit Pearse Street Library during the week it will greatly narrow my search.

[trelawn1984]

Hi, Francis died on the 29th June 1922. I really appreciate the offer, thank you so much. Grizzly, in reference to your suggestion, Francis is from Dublin as was his family. The only death in the close family was his father who died in 1888 but I know where he is buried and Francis isn't with him.


Amy

[Colur]

Hi Trelawn,
No luck I’m afraid. The 29th June1922 fell on a Thursday and I searched the records up to and including the end of July without success.
The Irish Civil War started the day before your G/grandfathers death and this might account for the lack of details regarding his internment.
I was unable to find Francis on the 1911 Census but did find Hary (Henry) Was he in the army at that time.
Two more questions though that might help someone here throw some light on it;
Where was Francis’ wife buried? and what part of the city was Francis living in before he entered hospital?
Oh, and by the way, where was Francis father buried?
Don’t give up just yet.

[trelawn1984]

Thank you for continuing to look for me. I haven't been able to find Francis on the 1911 census either, Hary/Henry was his older brother. He didn't enlist in the army until Sept. 1914. He did serve a few short stints in prison between 1908 and 1913/14 so it's possible that is where he was. His wife Elizabeth is buried in Glasnevin with her daughter and son in law. Francis' father, Henry, died in 1888 and is buried in a common grave in Glasnevin with eight others, no sign of Francis. Before being admitted to hospital Francis' last known address was 6 Ash Street. He lived around the Meath Street area for most of his life from what I can piece together.

Thanks again,
Amy

[hasta]

Color - that's really good point you make about the Civil War starting.
trelawn1984 - Is there any connection with the 2 year old Francis Saul buried in 1915 Glasnevin.

The Allen Ryan was renamed St Catherine's at some stage. It is a listed building, so still there, but difficult to see from the road. My own grandmother died there as a young woman in 1938.
I have a description of the place from shortly after it was established.

"The hospital is situated only a short distance from the Pigeon house Fort and is quite isolated, no other building being within a considerable distance. The  grounds which are about 2 acres in extent contain a large red brick building in which the principle offices are situated; a large wooden hall and several shelters and smaller buildings. The main building which is 2 storied contains the ground floor, two wards for male patients, a general day room, a large kitchen and apartments for the use of the matron and staff. The wards are lofty and the windows facing south are kept open constantly to allow the ingress of the health giving breeze (the grounds of the hospital run down to the seashore)
In the general day room where the patients meet for meals can be observed a weighing machine in which the patients are weighed each week and the increase or decrease noted. The second story is reached by an outside staircase which leads up to a balcony looking south across the bay. From this, open three wards which are reserved for female patients.There are two large and one small ward and a small room at the end for the use of the nurse in charge. Close by the main building is a galvanized structure which contains a well fitted out laundry and disinfectant chamber. A little to the south west is another galvanized structure which supplies accommodation for the nurses. Three shelters have been erected in the grounds and one more is nearing completion. Patients will be placed permanently in three of these and required to sleep in them at night so that they may derive the fullest possible benefit from fresh air. A large wooden shed situated opposite the main building is at present unoccupied. This was formerly used for fever patients and is now utilised as a reception room when the weather is too wet or cold to be outdoors. Many devices are adopted to interest patients and to keep them profitably occupied. Wood carving classes are held each week and  numbers of decorative articles are made by the inmates who find that time passes presently when engaged in such work. Newspapers and illustrated periodicals supplied by friends form a welcome supply of reading matter and chess, draughts and similar games find many devotees."
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