Mary E A BROWNE of Sydney

[majm]

1868 Sands on the City of Sydney website

Macquarie Street
East Side
Off Goulburn Street
Here Macquarie Street South
Sheriff’s Gardens
Here Goulburn St 

JM, I'm not entirely certain where Sheriff's Gardens is today. There was an article in the SMH in 1912 about "Old Sydney" (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15374157?searchTerm=%22sheriff%27s%20gardens%22%20commonwealth%20street&searchLimits=) and I've found what might be the right streets in Surrey Hills.

  

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0600151h.html

 Macquarie Street on the northern side of Hyde Park
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0600151h-images/p80a.jpg


From Sands 1868 Directory
Sheriff’s Gardens were on the Eastern side of Macquarie St and on the southern side of Hyde Park

Google Maps TODAY  and the 1912 SMH article

Commonwealth St is the current name for Little Macquarie Street.    Little Macquarie St was the extension of Macquarie St, interrupted by Hyde Park.  So Little Macquarie Street South, is likely to be now known as Commonwealth Street.

Liverpool St and Commonwealth St intersect, at Hyde Park. 

Goulburn St and Commonwealth St intersect, (Goulburn St, the next one south after Liverpool St).

Its likely to be the Car Park   

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

http://www.photosau.com.au/CoSMaps/maps/pdf/TS/BlockJ1.pdf

Map J1 in the 1855-1865 Trig Survey Maps for City of Sydney.   

Macquarie Street eastern side on the southern side of Hyde Park.  NOTE that the drafter preparing those survey maps has included the individual built environs but not the names of the buildings.

Live links given in earlier posts, including to CoS Assessment Books  (Cook Ward  )

Add
http://www.photosau.com.au/CoSMaps/maps/pdf/CDS/Sheet_21.pdf

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Re John BROWNE and Lochinvar in NSW 


http://library.sl.nsw.gov.au/search/X?lochinvar&searchscope=2
NSW SL catalogue gives Lochinvar as on land that is part of an original 2000 acre land grant to Leslie Duguid in 1823.  Near to or adjoined to W C Wentworth’s Luskintyre and Mrs Harper’s farm Windemere and an advert in the Australian March 19, 1840.  Trove has many of the adverts which ran in all the leading newspapers.  Here’s one link …. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2537408 Sydney Gaz 28 March 1840.

NSW SRO has Lesslie DUGUID land at reel 1121.   There was a Court of Claims re the Duguid land in March 1834.   First Possessor of Land listed as William Longford.   Reel 1420 


NSW ER 1870 THE HUNTER
John S BROWN, freehold, Lochinvar

NSW ER 1878 THE HUNTER
John S BROWN, freehold, Lochinvar
Walter William BROWN, residence, Lochinvar
Alfred C BROWN, residence, Lochinvar

As John BROWN/e died in Sydney in 1871, the two entries above are NOT him.   

BUT     

There is a John BROWNE listed at Sheet 2 of the Parish Map of Maitland, County of Northumberland, barcode 158386 on the lpi website
 

John BROWNE 5 April 1836
Portion 166 and 167
Plan 188   663 and 217 663   
Location  diag
Vol, Folio (or Date) 5.4.1836
Area 1.341 (for 166) and 2.175 (for 167)
Purchaser for both 166 and 167  John Browne.   On 167 “see note ( 8 ) "

So on that part of that sheet 2, the notes are on the right hand side and  Note 8 reads  Resumed for Recreation.  Gaz 16th January 1951,  5217ms  Ms 5395   3070  R   So Portion 167 may well be a sporting oval or similar even today 


I realise that John BROWNE died 1871, and the newspapers have him as aged 47, and it would be unusual for a 12 year old to purchase land in NSW in1836, however I think it is worthwhile following up to see who the person was who did purchase that land in 1836.   The NSW SRO records should give the name of the ship of arrival for the purchaser.  And if the purchaser was born in the colony, that would likely be stated in those CSreLand records too.

NSW SRO CSreLand index has just the ONE John BROWNE listing purchasing land in 1836.  It is on reel 1103.  http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=14&new=1

Leaving it up to our OP to get to the original records to see if this is the right family  perhaps a generation earlier.

Cheers,  JM

[oze]

JM, thanks very much for your help with all those maps, I've never tried to find a location within Sydney before.
Comparing the two old maps, it looks like Little Macquarie Street on the 1865 is the same as Browns Lane on other one (I think the date reads 1856?). I've found a number of newspaper articles that suggest that Thomas Brown, John Brown's father, also lived at Sheriff's Gardens, I wonder if there's a connection between him and Browns Lane? I notice that Nithsdale Street is still around today, and looking at the position of that and Commonwealth Street, could Little Macquarie Street now be the Alberta Street that runs between Goulburn and Clarke Street? Which would put Sheriff's Gardens about where the Travelodge is.
Regarding Lochinvar, I've found several newspaper reporting in June 1866 to the appointment of John Brown as station master to Lochinvar, which suggests to me he was formerly living somewhere else. Also the family doesn't seem to add the 'e' to Browne until 1881, perhaps they thought it was more posh than just Brown.
Ros, Merlin, thanks very much for the information on Thomas Browne's death. I can't say I really understand what's going on in that court case, but I shall certainly have to look into Thomas's siblings and his wife Emily.
I notice the court case article mentions a sister living in Salford. Some time ago I found a family in Manchester in the UK 1861 census, with a John Brown, railway bookeeper, born around 1825 in Salford Lancashire. He has a wife Sarah, born 1827, and children Thomas and John, born 1853 and 1855. I wonder if this could perhaps be the right family before they came to Australia?

[majm]

http://photosau.com.au/CosRates/scripts/home.asp

Cook Ward 1863 Assessment Books has Thos BROWN, John Brown, as owners/landlords on Macquarie St, and on Macquarie Lane, and it is near to “off 2 Goulburn Street”   There’s even a Walter Brown in that area …..

Cook Ward 1845 Assessment Books has Thos BROWN, McQuarie Lane …. As both occupier and as Owner/landlord.


Cook Ward 1880 Assessment Books has Sarah Brown at 21 Little Macquarie St AND then there’s Mrs S Brown as owner/landlord at:
19 Little Macquarie St, and at 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 off Little Macquarie St and then at 23 Little Macquarie St

I am sure that with that info, that the City of Sydney’s admin staff will be able to identify what is currently at that site….

There is lots more info on the CoS records that are transcribed and uploaded at that above link

Also, here’s the CoS link to Sydney Streets
http://history.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/sydneystreets/
http://history.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/sydneystreets/Lost_Streets/Resumptions/map.html


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

There's a Thomas BROWN who was appointed Baliff, Sydney commencing 1 July 1840.  This is a position in the Sheriff’s office.  In 1848 The position of Sheriff was £1000 pa.  The Baliff, Sydney was £135 pa.  The Baliff, Sydney had two assistants (£100 pa each)

John Brown was appointed Baliff, Parramatta commencing 25Feb 1845.   £135 pa.   No Assistants.

By 1856, Thomas BROWN was still the Baliff, Sydney and was now on £235 pa.  One of his assistants was on £200 pa and the other was on £120 pa

At the NSW SRO’s index to Early Probate Records there’s a Thomas BROWN, of Tarban Creek Asylum, probate date 1863.  You mentioned earlier about a John Brown trying to have his father declared insane.   https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/asylum-records/asylum-records  (Gladsville Hospital)   I would expect that the NSW BDM registration for a Thomas BROWN, aged 60, died Ryde would likely be for him.  (#5805).  I would expect his grave to be within the grounds of the Asylum or up at St Anne’s C of E at Top Ryde.  There may well be some clues in the Probate Record for that chap.

Thomas BROWN died 13 August 1863.  His wife, Jane Brown died 17 Oct 1862.  Probate notice SMH 5 Sept 1863 (3rd column from left)  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28621196

Sale of a Phaeton and associated harness (“never having been used”) SMH 2 April 1863
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13076478

NSW SRO Archives Investigator Probate Packet
Thomas Brown death 13 August 1863,  Probate Granted 6 Nov 1863
(Another to add to Ros' list .... soon we need to organise an extension to the facilities at Kingswood, just for Ros  ... or at least her own parking spot in the car park .... )

ADD, yes this chap's death is 1863 and thus not possible to be the death of the chap being sectioned in the newspaper article, but the 1863 probate file may well contain detailed information that will help eliminate other sightings of the many BROWN/e families in Sydney in the 1860s.

Cheers, JM

[cando]

Cando, I do believe that's the right birth for Mary although I haven't got the certificate yet as they're so expensive here.

Why not purchase a transcription of the certificate which will only cost you $20.  You don't need a certified certificate for family history.  Three accredited agents in NSW.  The transcript is emailed.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription

Cando

[majm]

Re Little Macquarie Street

Look at those mid 19thC maps, the ones showing Hyde Park.

You can see that Macquarie Street is abruptly stopped at Hyde Park (northern end) (firm lines end).   You can see that the draftsman continued the line of Macquarie Street right through Hyde Park.   You can see that the line is picked up again at Liverpool Street (Southern end of Hyde Park) ....  The lines then continues in the firm hand.    In 20th Century drafting jargon, those two parallel lines running through Hyde Park "joining" Macquarie and Little Macquarie are known as "Construction lines" (so they are there drawn there by that draftsman to help that draftsman line up his work on the Drawing Board, in preparation for the Ink Work).

(In the real world I am a mechanical engineering draftsman, well at least that's what the certification documents read back when I was first qualified.  I am female, and today the position is known as 'CAD drafter' )

Cheers,  JM
 

[Jennaya]

Re the gettng declared insane. The article reads like he may have Alzheimer's or some other form of old age dementia. It's sad that in those days people had to go to court and have family members declared insane and then locked away.