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Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« on: Sunday 24 November 13 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Ok so Ive never had cause to use Irish records before so I hope someone can help me or at least point me in the right direction. Im trying to trace a marriage between a soldier, Kings Dragoon Guards, and a Dublin girl sometime in the 1810 to 1814 period (roughly). The name of the soldier is Thomas Sands and all I know of the girl is her first names are Ann Rebecca but maiden name unknown. She would have been born around 1796.
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Re: Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 24 November 13 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Irish statutory records didn't start until about 1864, so they'll be no help.    Do you know anything else at all about these people?    If you are looking for a marriage prior to the statutory start date you need to have a clue about the parish that the marriage took place in.
Toomebridge, County Antrim: Devlin
Toomebridge and Cavan:  McCormick
Glasgow, Wolverhampton, Shropshire:   Hill
Lurgan Co. Armagh:  Malone, Dumigan, McCourt, McGill
St. Pancras, and Poplar, London: Serjeant, Heald
Brookborough Co. Fermanagh:  Carmichael, Tierney
Staffordshire:  Cook
Isle of Wight:   Parkman
Warwickshire:  Kinchin
Cork: Kennedy, Ahern, Deliere

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Re: Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 November 13 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Also, for what it is worth, there is a mention of a Sgt. Thomas Sands Kings Dragoon Guards on the medal rolls for Waterloo.   He did 22 years with them and he is believed to be one and the same as the Thomas Sands who subsequently served for 24 years in the 1st West Yorkshire Yeomanry and died in Sheffield at the age of 67.   His dates are given as born 1783 and died 1850.   He is buried in Sheffield general cemetery.    Have looked for him in the 1841 census to see if I can find him married to a Mary Rebecca from Dublin but no luck so far.
Toomebridge, County Antrim: Devlin
Toomebridge and Cavan:  McCormick
Glasgow, Wolverhampton, Shropshire:   Hill
Lurgan Co. Armagh:  Malone, Dumigan, McCourt, McGill
St. Pancras, and Poplar, London: Serjeant, Heald
Brookborough Co. Fermanagh:  Carmichael, Tierney
Staffordshire:  Cook
Isle of Wight:   Parkman
Warwickshire:  Kinchin
Cork: Kennedy, Ahern, Deliere

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Re: Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 November 13 21:31 GMT (UK) »
I've found them in 1841 in Sheffield.  Thomas is described as a pensioner (could be army pensioner) and he is living with Ann, William, Harriet, Sarah and Mary.   Ann is shown as born in Ireland.

In 1851, Ann is shown as Ann Rebecca, Widow, and she is living in Louisiana Place, Nether Hallam Yorkshire.   She has two of her daughters with her, one married with husband and child.   Ann is shown as born in Dublin this time.
Toomebridge, County Antrim: Devlin
Toomebridge and Cavan:  McCormick
Glasgow, Wolverhampton, Shropshire:   Hill
Lurgan Co. Armagh:  Malone, Dumigan, McCourt, McGill
St. Pancras, and Poplar, London: Serjeant, Heald
Brookborough Co. Fermanagh:  Carmichael, Tierney
Staffordshire:  Cook
Isle of Wight:   Parkman
Warwickshire:  Kinchin
Cork: Kennedy, Ahern, Deliere

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Re: Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 November 13 21:57 GMT (UK) »
according to his service record he was b 1787 in the parish of Kirby Mallorey,,near Hinckley in Liecestershire.
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« Reply #5 on: Monday 25 November 13 09:16 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your replies but I was aware of all that information already. Just wanted to see if it was possible to trace the wedding now I've gotten this far.
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 25 November 13 10:33 GMT (UK) »
Ah.
Toomebridge, County Antrim: Devlin
Toomebridge and Cavan:  McCormick
Glasgow, Wolverhampton, Shropshire:   Hill
Lurgan Co. Armagh:  Malone, Dumigan, McCourt, McGill
St. Pancras, and Poplar, London: Serjeant, Heald
Brookborough Co. Fermanagh:  Carmichael, Tierney
Staffordshire:  Cook
Isle of Wight:   Parkman
Warwickshire:  Kinchin
Cork: Kennedy, Ahern, Deliere

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Re: Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« Reply #7 on: Monday 25 November 13 11:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi

It is quite difficult looking for records this early.

There are a few sites that are helpful in looking for older records -

www.irishgenealogy.ie    -
 a lot of older church records on this site  I checked it out for
Thomas Sands  there are a few listed but the dates don't tie in.    I also looked for any
Ann Rebecca and only one baptism for an Ann Rebecca Dooley.  This won't help as you don't
know Ann Rebecca's maiden name.    Church records are constantly being added to this site so
it is worth checking them from time to time to see if Thomas shows up in the future.  This site
is sponsored by the Irish Government.

www.igp-web.com/archives   This is a very useful site with lots of records submitted by volunteers
I had a look no marriages for Thomas and Ann R.

Nick Reddan has a very useful newspaper index site  just enter nick reddan's newspaper index in google search and it's the first site that pops up.  I also looked at this and while there are some
entries for "Sands" none for the marriage of Thomas and Ann R.

Also a paying site which I reluctantly mention   www.rootsireland.ie   I had a look at that also and while there were 25 marriages for Thomas Sands only one in Dublin and I entered the year 1810 with 10 years either side and no marriage for him in that time frame.

I also had a look at the Rosemary Ffolliot newspaper index which is held at the Cork City library and
again no luck for Thomas.  Generally it was the gentry who placed announcements in the newspapers.

What about his army record held at Kew, in London.   His marriage details would be held in his
record.  However you do need to have his service number.   

Other than the above I can't think of any other sources at the moment that might help you.

Mary
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Re: Long Shot But No Irish Experience
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 November 13 14:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the list of resources. It looks like a long shot but I'll keep plugging away and maybe something will turn up one day.
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