alan davenport frost

[oldohiohome]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V1SD-DVL
 - Brazil immigration record gives him as 4 April 1905 - which fits with a birth registered in May (within six weeks of birth)

Hello i wondered if you still have access to this record I tried the link but it is not working for me possibly it is for members of one of the ancestry websites as it reads that the record is kept private to respect their partners.

I believe that means that Familysearch's contract with the original record holder might only have allowed them to display the images for a certain period of time and that time expired between 2013 and now.

[oldohiohome]

the index record at ancestry gives his birth date as mentioned. he arrived 1963 in Rio de Janeiro. parents William Frost, Margaret Frost.

in the Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Immigration Cards, 1900-1965
FHL Film Number    004921080


I found this at familysearch while trying to access the record by browsing:

Image Restricted
Image access is typically determined by local laws or the custodian who has the original document.

[Theo1275]

Thanks, that is a real shame as a picture would have been the best way for me to have either ruled it out or in.

[Theo1275]

the index record at ancestry gives his birth date as mentioned. he arrived 1963 in Rio de Janeiro. parents William Frost, Margaret Frost.

in the Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Immigration Cards, 1900-1965
FHL Film Number    004921080


I found this at familysearch while trying to access the record by browsing:

Image Restricted
Image access is typically determined by local laws or the custodian who has the original document.

Would anyone know if the records contain an image anywhere else , I have a subscription to ancestry and it is only the written records available there. I note myheritage has them listed but I am not a member so no idea if they have the images (photos) that were mentioned back in the past or if these have been removed from the web completely.
Would the immigration card be held anywhere else?

[oldohiohome]

the film is probably at the LDS family history library in Salt Lake City. I don't remember the proper title. If there is an LDS church near you, there might be a local family history center associated with it. You could ask them. They used to send out copies of the film but I think they discontinued that.

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Brazil, Rio de Janeiro, Immigration Cards, 1900-1980

Indexes and images of immigration cards issued by Brazilian consulates around the world and presented at the port of entry by foreigners visiting or immigrating to Brazil. These records are housed at the National Archives in Rio de Janeiro. Additional images and indexed records will be published as they become available.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/collection/1932363

this page went with it. I don't think it will help much, but it might.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Brazil,_Rio_de_Janeiro,_Immigration_Cards_-_FamilySearch_Historical_Records

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Try contacting the National Archives in Rio de Janeiro. (Which might have moved since that information was written, Brasilia has been the capital for a long time.)
Best place to start is with the local LDS. They might know how you could find someone to access the film in SLC, if they won't send it out.

[Theo1275]

Thanks, I am clutching at straws a little, as if it is 'my' Alan Frost, it would make his age in the picture I posted @ 52 years old, it is hard to tell with black and white pictures, but he doesn't look that old to me, but not beyond the realms of possibility, I suppose.
Many thanks for your help. I am coming to the end of over 30 years of searching for this broken link in my family history, and I am no closer now than I was back in the days of microfilm and paper records. DNA was going to be the big help I thought, but it has really given me very little except a 1st cousin who has found it just as difficult to trace his roots as I have and no Frost relative in his tree either.
The one thing DNA has confirmed is the area he must have come from, and this is Irish, Scottish Welsh, which leads me to believe this branch of the tree was possibly a victim of the system of government policy at the time and probably had no knowledge of his own ancestors, 'Frost' possibly being a name he was either given or decided upon when he or his ancestor arrived in Canada.

[oldohiohome]

could you post what you know about your Alan Davenport? approx date of birth, parents' names?, date of death, etc.
I have some access to myheritage right now and will try to look for him.

Also everything you have about where the record is on myheritage. I have found the database, but so far have only found an Alan Davenport Walwyn.

I also need to go back through this thread. I didn't pay much attn. to the earlier information from 2013.
Will get back to you either way. Tnx

[oldohiohome]

I found this but there is no image available.

Alan Davenport Frost
Gender:   Male
Birth:   Apr 4 1905
 Withington G B
Marital status:   Married
Immigration:   1963
 Rio De Janeiro, Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
Nationality:   Britain
Father:   William Frost
Mother:   Margaret Frost
Traveling With Children:   No
Digital Folder Number:   004567564
Image Number:   00130

I don't think my link would help you. It is through a public library in Boston.

So you are back to contacting the Archives in Rio or the local Family History Library/Center (?).

one other possibility - a full subscription access to myheritage might access the image, but I doubt it. Similar access to ancestry is as good as a full subscription.

[oldohiohome]

Let's try working backward from your Alan Frost.
He doesn't look 54 in the picture taken in Toronto in 1958, I'd say 30 at most, so born between maybe 1918 and 1928.
For one reason or another, that might not be his birth name. I don't think government policy would have been a factor that recently, but it really doesn't affect the search.

So, do you have any DNA links to the Withington, Lancashire, area, where their Alan Davenport Frost was from?
Where did you test the DNA? Do you only have the general region, or do you match specific individuals?
If you have matched specific individuals, can you trace back their families?
Do you match anyone but the first cousin you mentioned? If you have a few good matches, sometimes you can "triangulate" to the common ancestor.
Are you or your cousin a direct male descendant of your Alan Frost? Have you submitted your y-DNA anywhere?
Where have you posted the DNA results? Try uploading them to a few sites, you might find more matches. Ancestry will not accept uploads, but if you tested there you can download the results and upload them to gedmatch or familytreeDNA, both of which have helped me and someone else I know. I think myheritage.com also accepts uploads.
Is the match in Rio helpful? Have you talked to them? Even if not, can you work backward from them?

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added: did you know this first cousin before hand? if not, how do you connect to him?

Your Alan Frost is not that far back. If he had children, brothers, sisters,  or 1st cousins, you should be able to find something at least.