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Offline Ken Cameron

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Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« on: Wednesday 20 November 13 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Found and bought his death certificate from Victoria. Can't decipher where he died although I know it is near Wycheproof. I include three extracts from portions of the certificate to see if anyone can tell me whether it is the name of his farm/homestead or village/town. The district is either Bunguluke or Bungeduke, I'm not sure which.

I have been trying to find the marriages of his three eldest daughters, Catherine, Christina and Margaret, but with no luck so far. It would seem that no one with a father named Murdoch married in Victoria between 1855 and 1888.

The signature is of Annie McDonald his youngest daughter at the age of 21, according to the death certificate.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 09:08 GMT (UK) »


   
        There is this place..........Ninyeunook, Vic 3540

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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 09:18 GMT (UK) »


I think you've got it wivenhoe  ;)

Ninyeunook is about 29klms north east of Wycheproof

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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 09:26 GMT (UK) »
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This looks like his death however the age is not a match.  Info on death certs only as accurate at the knowledge of the informant.

McDONALD Murdoch
Father Donald  Mother Kate MORRISON
At Bunguluke  86 years  1888 Reg#12445

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunguluke,_Victoria

According to my resource there is a Murdoch McDONALD buried in the Wycheproof cemetery however the other McDONALD names on the database do not appear to be the same family.

The certificate for Murdoch's death would list all the information about his marriages and children both living and deceased.
Cando

Ken you keep saying you found the death...however you did have help ;D

It is a rural area and may be a Parish Hundred.  Deaths are registered in Districts and may not be the exact place of death.  What is the name of the District at the top of the registration?

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It would seem that no one with a father named Murdoch married in Victoria between 1855 and 1888.

The indexes in Victoria do not give the names of the parents on the marriage indexes.

Search for Ninyeunook, Vic 3540 on google maps.  Probably similar to the area I live in.  We have a post code but no services at all.  Just a tin shed that is a registered post office where each family in the district has a key to access their mail boxes.

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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Do you have Murdoch wife's name please.

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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 09:35 GMT (UK) »
One possibility in NSW

Margaret Nee McDonald.
MARGARET M MACDIARMID, PARENTS, MURDOCH M & MARY REF # 5970/1930

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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 09:49 GMT (UK) »


Same parents and 2 of the names of the girls you mentioned - maybe  ::)

RANKIN Margaret
died 1924 age 74 Moonee Ponds
Father: Murdoch McDonald    Mother: Margt Cameron
Reg#9644

WARD Catherine
died 1913 age 65 Stawell
Father: Murdoch McDonald    Mother: Mary Cameron
Reg#3630

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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 10:10 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Where did Murdoch Macdonald die in 1888?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi folks.

Once again great work and much faster replies than on my first search. I include an attachment of Murdoch’s complete death certificate for your perusal. The last two columns are interpreted below:
Where and at what age and to whom –
1 Scotland
and
1 Adelaide;
2 Not Known (should be abt 8, Murdoch and Mary Cameron were married on 4 Mar 1845)
2 48 years (corrected by registrar to 45 on cert);
3 Not Known (should be Mary Cameron),
3 Kate Swan (should be Catherine McSwan).

Issue, in order of birth, their names and ages:
By First wife
Kate 40 yrs.
Christina 38 yrs.
Margaret 35 yrs.
Donald dead (died in Cork, Ireland on board HMS Hercules 14 Feb 1853)
By second wife:
Johanna 30 yrs.
Donald 27 yrs.
Mary/May? 26 yrs.
Annie? Dead
Annie 21 yrs.
Samuel dead.

This is definitely my ancestor Murdoch from North Uist as too much of the info on the certificate ties in with data from other sources. Missing or inaccurate info I put down to Annie not knowing for some reason as it was before she was born. This would suggest that she was not in a position to ask her older siblings, or that they could not remember either. Why her mother did not know/remember is a bit more puzzling.

Murdoch seems to have a constant problem with his age even before leaving North Uist. He remained 40 years old for a number of years when he was in reality 35/39 in 1851. I found him in the 1841 Census at age 25, which means that he was between 25 and 29 years old then (they rounded down to the nearest 5 in that Census). He gave his age as 40 in the 1851 Census and was recorded as 40 on HMS Hercules in 1853. He married Catherine McSwan on 2 Aug 1853 at Adelaide and died 9 Oct 1888, which means that he was about 45 years old when he married for the second time and the Registrars correction should be the trusted figure.

Cando, thank you for your invaluable assistance once more and to all the others over there in Oz who have helped my search. I have contacted the Stawell group three times. The first was very kindly replied to by the then ex-Secretary at that time, and he passed my request for help on to the present Secretary along with giving me the new secretary’s name. I did not get any reply, so after a few months I sent a further request to them and have had no reply at all (4 months), not even an automated email reply. So either my emails have gone to the wrong place, or that group is having some sort of troubled times at the moment. It looks like a case of try, try, again, again. That’s life.

Kind regards
Ken