Neate/Perry /All Cannings

[KGarrad]

Christening 15th October 1843  at Brixton-Deverill, Wiltshire
Selina Ann Masslyn or Maslen
Daughter of Louisa Masslyn or Maslen

[KGarrad]

1841 census
HO107, Piece 1189, Book 2, Folio 29, Page 7
Newpark Street, Devizes, Wiltshire

Grace, William  M  50
Grace, Sarah  F  50
Grace, Dennis  M  52
Greenland, Mary  F  20
Hapgood, William  M  25
Withers, Charles  M  14
Wantner, John  M  45
Maslen, Louisa  F  18
Bowden, Louisa  F  26
Cole, Alexander  M  21
Willis, Hannah  F  20
Wiltshire, Rhoda  F  15
Maslen, James  M  25
Smith, Harry  M  17
Florris, William  M  30    All born in county

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Thank you KGarrard. I know about Louisa working at The Castle hotel. I also have the will of William Grace and another of Sarah Grace. Sarah leaves money to Louisa but the exact relationship is unclear. In the 1851 census Louisa ,who has now married Jon Perry of Devizes, leaves her daughter Mary Sarah Sissons Perry with Sarah Grace who is listed as Aunt to Mary. The ages are all wrong.She could be a great Aunt or even a grandmother ! Sarah seems to have been married to Richard Chandler before he died and she married William Grace. It seems that Sarah may have been base born.
I have also noted that a James Maslen is listed in the 1841 census. Could be coincidence as Maslen is a common name in Devizes but maybe he too is linked. I do know that Louisa had one sister in London who was adopted but at some point she comes to Devizes and in a census record the sisters are living together. Their father was George Maslen ( see Louisa's marriage cert ).
The christening is interesting as it just might lead to something. I do know that Louisa's sister Sarah was christened when she was adopted ( I think at age twelve but need to check this).
I also suspect that various family members didn't always tell the truth on legal documents. They were reasonably well off but for some reason they lied on the 1871 census,lied when registering the birth of an illegitamate child, lied when competing documents on oath !!! I have no idea why. They didn't need to economically as they had legitimately inherited the money.
It's a huge puzzle but I can't give up as the search has been going on for over seventy years and I am the second generation involved.
Thank you for your help. I shall follow up on the christening.     

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It’s taken three years ! But I now know that Sarah Grace was on her third marriage when she married William Grace in Devizes. Prior to that it was Richard Chandler ( married in St Pancras London ) and prior to that Richard Sissons  but strangely she gives her father’s name as Richard Mortimore batchelor ! When Richard Sissons dies  in 1835 both she and Louisa are clearly named in a will. By the time it is settled she has already married the next one !
I’m now wondering if her mother was Maslen and she was base born or Mortimore was really her maiden name and she married into the Maslen family. I’ll probably never be able to work it out but if any one can shed any light I’d be very grateful.

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The Neate Perry link remains a mystery !

[ghjb101]

John Perry Neate was born in Devizes in 1827. The ‘Perry’ appears to be from his mother’s maiden name; he was only recorded as John Neate in records before 1863, but almost always John Perry Neate thereafter. This might have been in tribute to his mother, who died in 1847. As likely it was due to the very large number of John Neates in the area – this theory is backed up by the baptism of a John Powell Neate in 1857, in the next village (Bishops Cannings) - the son of Christina Neate, nee Powell.
John (Perry) Neate married Jane Susan Andrews. They had at least 11 children, four of whom were given 'Perry' as a middle name.

[Miggs191]

A very belated thank you for the info on John Perry Neate.
I have found a William John Neate Perry in the West Country.
I’m currently trying to work out if there could be a link.
He ran a grocers shop and doesn’t die until 1938.
I’ve yet to confirm his parents.

[Stevie8485]

Hi - I have Charles Neate blacksmith Devizes m 1813 Southbroom Sophia Perry.  They had 9 children, four of whom were baptised '... Perry Neate'. Father of Charles Neate a Thomas Neate, Bishops Cannings - they go pick up Maslen and Rivers and the Perrys go back to Twinny, Twyford, Gaisford.  I have private Ancestry tree but am happy to send an invitation if of use.

[Miggs191]

Hi,
My search for Neate Perry is rather compicated.
Perry was the maiden name of my great grandmother. As a child she lived in Devizes as one set of grandparents William and Mary Ann Perry ran The Pelican coaching house which is still in the market square.
Her mother was a Maslin and lived with her Aunt Sarah Sissons then Chambers then Grace. When she was two Mary Sarah Sissons Perry my great grandmother was in The Castle Hotel which is still in the centre of Devizes.
Her father John Perry had left his wife Louisa Elizabeth Maslin Perry and his business and gone to live in Soho London.
Here he finds a mistress and produces two more daughters. Unbelievably, he seems to bring the mistress and the daughters to live in the house with his legal wife and daughter.
He had received money from a couple of wills and was also awaiting the clearance of a will that had been in chancery for around ten years. At this point he becomes a very wealthy man. Tragically he died in his fifties about six months later. Everything is left to his one and only legal daughter Mary.
Mary inherits the money,land and properties and makes a will as by now she is married to a farmer from Potterne John Biggs Panks.
In this will we have the first indication that there is a brother.
He is recorded as Neate Perry Neate ! I have never been able to find him for definately though there are indications that he may have been in Somerset and running a successful grocery business.
The question then has to be how does he fit in ?
We surmised that JohnPerry on one of his jaunts ,had a relationship with someone named Neate and when the child was born he was given both Neate and Perry as his surnames.
Maybe you have broken through this barrier ?
They are an unbelievably complicated family to follow even when you have the documents in front of you !
Solicitors swearing three times to differen aspects of Mary’s life when the must have known it was false.
The whole extended family disappear in the 1871 census eventually found with a changed surname and my great grandmother having a completely different name but on the certificates I sent for up comes her real name crossed through…an illegitimate daughter !
Later more legal documents turn up.
This was all taking place between 1820 and 1895 through varying generations !
It ended at this point with no job,no home,no money and selling the silver candlesticks whilst Mary’s husband now works as a storekeeper and they live in a two up two down box of a house with six   sons !
So I’m afraid apart from knowing a Perry Neate turns up in Somerset and thinking he may be the half brother to Mary and Jon Perry his father,I’m not much use to you.
Looking forward to seeing how you may have a Perry Neate too. Thanks but sorry this is sooo long !
Maggie