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Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« on: Sunday 17 November 13 14:48 GMT (UK) »
This character (1866 Wellesbourne -1917) is not my relative, but he did marry a fairly distant cousin of mine, she died childless, so I thought no more about it. Then I got a message on GR from David who told me of three more marriages - two found from census records, the third his relative he'd researched. Then I found a fifth that seemed to be his. Look up Frederick George Hirons on FreeBMD and you find only two births in the relevant period, but 7 marriages 1890-1909, including 6 in a decade and 6 in mid-Warwickshire.

It turns out that the 1899 West Brom one (to Eliz. Woodhall) is of an unregistered Fred Geo, and the Stratford (Claverdon)  1909 one to Ellen Jeffs is the man born 1880 Northants - both confirmed by  censuses and the latter by WarwickshireBMDs on A****y (he a bachelor right age). But the other five all in Warwick or Coventry point to our man, three confirmed by censuses, the other by her relative. Here's the lowdown

wed Hannah Cox 1890 Warwick, died 1899 Warwick, no issue, confirmed 1891 census
wed Emma Rose Loveridge 1899 Warwick, she died 1903, Frederick Wm 1901, on 1901 census
wed Flora Jane Lancet 1903 Warwick, she died 1904, confirmed by relative
wed Matilda Mowe 15/11/1904 Coventry St Mark, she d 1905 Warwick, confirmed marriage record
wed Ellen White 1906 Coventry, confirmed on 1911 census, children of this marriage

I'd hoped to find corroboration of some of this on Warwickshire BMDs but I was disappointed. It seems Fred didn't baptise any of his 4 known children, didn't inter any of his dead wives in a churchyard, married 4 times in registry offices - some of these records could be missing, but all? Warwick town records are pretty good.

The one exception, St Mark's 15/11/1905 to Matilda Mowe, describes him as Dealer, 37, so it has to be him (Pedlar on censuses, though I can't find him 1881 or 1891). Blank space for father. I assume she is the mother of Kathleen Matilda Hirons b 1905 Warwick (found on the 1911 as Catherine Matilda) she died the quarter her child was born. Death in childbirth was a common cause of death, even this late (a contemporary of his had this happen twice) but four times? There are no childbirths around the death quarters of the others.

I was beginning to think we had a serial killer on our hands, but surely he was just unlucky? I've found it was common for widowers with children to remarry quickly, unless there was another female relative to help - he just did this over and again. He did marry some vulnerable women - Flora Lancett was an orphan from Gloucs, a servant in Shipston in 1891, but in an institution in Alvechurch "feeble-minded" in 1901. Rose Loveridge was quite young at her marriage. Ellen White (identified from her Manchester birthplace) was in Coventry workhouse in 1901, single with twins William and Annie 1 month, of whom only Annie was alive in 1911 (a household with 5 children from 4 marriages!). But she survived Fred.

I messaged the owners of the Maw website who have Matilda Mowe:   http://www.family-maw.co.uk/GEDmill/indiI32813.html  but so far no reply.

There are people out there who may like to know - the euphonious Lloyd George Hirons died aged 9, and David was never registered , but Frederick William and Kathleen Matilda seem to have married and had children. 

So what do expert Rootschatters think? Unlucky widower or dodgy character? I've found nothing untoward in old newspapers - that Hinckley tramp is just too far away - and no, I'm not going to fork out £100 odd for certs re someone who's not even a relative. Just opinions please.

Chris
 

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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 November 13 14:53 GMT (UK) »
can't find him 1871 - I have him 1891
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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 November 13 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Time to scrutinize the death certificates and insurance claims.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 November 13 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Could this be him

1881 census Warwick St Nicholas Warwickshire

Frederick Jn Hirons  1868

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 November 13 15:18 GMT (UK) »

  Chris
           Just realized the "Jn"  was probably John, not  "junior" as I thought, any way this ones
father was named John.

 I think it's time I took a break!!

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

Census Information is Crown Copyright from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 November 13 17:03 GMT (UK) »
Time to scrutinize the death certificates and insurance claims.

Insurance claims online? Any sources? Mere googling and newspaper searches finds nothing.
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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 November 13 17:13 GMT (UK) »
Time to scrutinize the death certificates and insurance claims.

Insurance claims online? Any sources? Mere googling and newspaper searches finds nothing.


I doubt it, but I'd say the circumstances are suspicious.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 November 13 17:34 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid the only real way you are going to find out is to buy those four death certificates and find the cause of death (£9.25 each from GRO)   ;D

If it was suspicious he obviously got away with it to be able to marry again so quickly after the death of each wife. Are you 100% sure it is the same man each time, especially the Frederick William of the 1901?
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Re: Frederick George Hirons - widowed 4 times in 6 years! Suspicious??
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 November 13 17:47 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid the only real way you are going to find out is to buy those four death certificates and find the cause of death (£9.25 each from GRO)   ;D

If it was suspicious he obviously got away with it to be able to marry again so quickly after the death of each wife. Are you 100% sure it is the same man each time, especially the Frederick William of the 1901?

Sorry about the confusion, the Frederick William of the 1901 was his newborn son, he was the usual Frederick born Wellesbourne, right age. I wonder if a pedlar would have the nous for an insurance scam. My first thought was murderer, I admit, but the speed of the re-marriages implies he was keen to find a step-mother for his child(ren).

FindMyPast has the younger children as White in the 1911, but just another mistranscription. No I'm not going to fork out for a lot of certs for a non-relative, nor am I asking any millionaires out there to do so - just asking for opinions.

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