Alice Slater

[lizdb]

 I am agreeing with Heywood.

Thomas uses the name Platt in 1911, and then Thomas Platt Slater on army records, then drops the Platt.

This indicates to me that Platt was his own birth name, but he was "adopted" by the John and Hannah Slater for whatever reason, but as time went by he used less of the Platt and saw himself as their child, so used Slater as his surname.
Whether they just found him on the doorstep, or knew about his past we dont know, but as he had the surname Platt one thinks they must have known something to have given him that surname? Unless just registered as a foundling and it was the name of the policeman dealing with the case or something!
I can see no evidence that he is the child of Alice Slater.

[heywood]

Hi all,
 Jeanette, or Janet as she was called in 1911 was born in 1893, and winefred in 1897, so the 1895 date may have been given to make things look more respectable, coming halfway between the two; weighing all these things up tends to make me think that Thomas of 1901 and the Thomas of 1911 are one and the same, but it doesn't help us to find what happened to Alice after 1911.
Frank.

Jeanette's birth was registered in 1893 - she was 7 yrs in 1901 and 18 yrs in 1911

Winifred is 3 yrs in 1901 and 15 yrs in 1911 but there is no birth record for her with that name.
There is a Sarah Jane Slater registered in June 1897 who does not appear in death indexes or 1901.

[kinged]

Hi Both
There was a Sarah Jane born to John and Hannah in 1874, and died in 1876, also a Jannette, born in 1876 and died at 18 months old;could the Sarah Jane born in 1897 be Winifred, I wonder;it is possible that they thought better of it for superstiseuos reasons, and Jeanette's name might have been Changed to Janet for the same reason, this sounds quite likely as there is no mention of Winnifred being born in 1897.
As I have pointed out there is a lot of untruths being used over that period to cover up various things, or so it would seem, eg, Barbara's birth is a bit suspicious, also her age on the census' George Edwins' marriage etc,and why are there two Thomas Slaters on the 1901 census both born in Rhyl, of the same age, But only one Thomas  Slater registered there at that time, also the Thomas with the Cookes in Armitage was only said to be a Visitor, so he was definately not their son, which still leaves me to believe that both are one and the same.
Frank   

[heywood]

1901 only has one Thomas Slater born Rhyl and he is with the Cookes aged 3 yrs. There is no son Thomas Cooke with them but there is in 1911 - 13 yrs.

Your Thomas is born Caerwys according to both censuses.

I notice that the names Jeanette/Genette and Winifred do occur in Albert's family so they do seem to be family names.
I can't see a marriage or death for Winifred born 1897.

It does look as though you are not going to find out the mystery of Thomas from online records.

[kinged]

The Thomas living with Barbara was also born in Rhyl on the census, and I used that information to apply for his birth certificate, unlike today when we fill in our own census form the enumerator went from house to house on the evening before, and will probably have asked who lives with you, and whether or not he was there on the night, she would probably have said Thomas lived with them; as I have pointed out before, the Thomas with the Cookes was only there as a visitor, and he was definately not with Alice or her family in 1901.
Winefred emigrated to Canada where she died.
Frank

[heywood]

It is difficult because we both see this differently and you have an interest.
Thomas shows as born Caerwys in both 1901 and 1911.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X91Z-B6D

A possibility could  be that Thomas Slater, born Rhyl was visiting the Cookes and was then 'adopted' by them and becomes their son Thomas Cooke as in 1911.
However, there is no proof of this as there isn't either with your assumption that Thomas Platt born Caerwys is Thomas Slater born Rhyl.