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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 19 November 13 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Hello again,

I do accept that is your belief - I don't want to cause any distress.

I have mentioned twice already and as you are really looking for Alice Slater, have you viewed the tree which seems to have a photo of the  older Alice? You haven't mentioned it and it would be very rewarding if it was her.

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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 19 November 13 19:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi heywood @ wr Jones
Thanks again. No I haven't Checked the sight for Alice Just Yet as I haven't had time, other commitments also, but will try to get round to it soon.
Thanks again
Frank

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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 19 November 13 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi heywood @ wr Jones
Thanks again. No I haven't Checked the sight for Alice Just Yet as I haven't had time, other commitments also, but will try to get round to it soon.
Thanks again
Frank

That's great - you might find out some more details there.
Good luck
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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 20:43 GMT (UK) »
hi Heywood,
Thanks, I had a quick look Last night, but was unable to find anything, I'm afraid I'm not very good at finding my way around web sites; what should I have been looking for? I looked under archives, probably the wrong place.

It has occured to me that maybe I should try to find the baptism records of Thomas, this might just have a name for a father, and god parents; I could try the church where William John and Jessie Robins got married, it would probably depend on how long after the birth it was before he was given away, I don't know when I will be able to get there though, hopefuly soon.
Frank


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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 20 November 13 23:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Frank,
Go to http://www.mundia.com/gb/.
You need to register and then sign in - free.
Go to find people.
Search for Alice Slater born Lichfield
A list of trees with Alice shows - one with photo.
Hope it works for you.

I too had thought of baptismal records. Do Thomas' s children know his birthdate?

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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 21 November 13 14:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Heywood
 Thank you for that,I will try that when I can, but have to go out later.
I have checked the 1901 census for the age of winnefred, and found that her age was given as 3, the same age as that for Thomas; I tried to contact Thomas' daughter who told me of the entry on the 1911 census but did not get a response (maybe on holiday) will try again,I hoped she would be able to tell me the age of both Thomas and Winefred listed there.
I have Thomas' army records which show him as joining in June 1917, and putting his age as 21 yrs 10months, on a later reference he put his date of birth as 26 8 95. whereas thomas staying with Barbara put down as her brother (why would she put him as her brother if he was not?) was  registered as 27 4 97.
If they are one and the same person it is posible that he did not know his birth date as John and Hannah may not have been given his birth cetificate, if as they said he was found on the doorstep; we also don't know how long after the birth he was left with the Slaters.
On Thomas' army records he used the name Thomas Platt Slater; He was called up again for the second world war but had dropped the name platt by then.
Still a mystery.
 Frank

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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 21 November 13 15:01 GMT (UK) »
I am wondering if we are looking at more than one person here. (I think this has been mooted before!)

This Thomas Platt Slater that you are researching seems clearly to be born in Aug 1895, or believes himself to be.

An Alice Slater had a baby in 1897, called Thomas Slater. A different person?

I would go back to basics. Forget Alice and her family for the moment.
List all you KNOW about the 'right' Thomas Slater. Don't make facts fit the family story - start with a clean sheet. 
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 21 November 13 15:11 GMT (UK) »
I think it is a mystery, you are right Frank.

For example, there doesn't seem to be a birth for her and she is not with the family in 1911. The indexes show a Winifred Slater 15 yrs in Denbighshire but she is born Shropshire.

Yes, lizdb, I have mooted two different Thomases.
My reasons being, that if one Thomas, the one born Caerwys can have two names, Slater and Platt, so could the 'other' Thomas - Slater and Cooke.

It could be a coincidence that Alice Slater had her boy Thomas in St Asaph district (not Holywell ) .

Thomas Platt Slater may have used the name Slater because that was the name of his adoptive parents.

I know I said I wouldn't mention it again but I really do think there is not enough evidence to prove the assumption that he is Alice's son - yet.

Often, people used the name of their father as a middle name. I can't see a Thomas Platt though  :-\

There is also quite a gap in The ages of John and Hannah's children.  :-\
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Re: Alice Slater
« Reply #35 on: Friday 22 November 13 12:37 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Lizdb, and heywood'
I hear what you say and have E-mailed Thomas' Daughter who gave me the 1911 census listing of Thomas to tell me what age was put for him, but I haven't recieved a reply yet, there seems to be some confusion about his age, I believe at one tim he put his month of birth as June.
The one thing that bothers me is why did they say that he was found on the doorstep, which is what all the family have been told if he was adopted, surely it is an honourable thing to adopt a child, so why try to hide it.
I know of one person who was born out of wedlock who was adopted by her stepfather at the age of 16 so that it would make things look more respectable when applying for a passport etc, could this be the case with Thomas I wonder?
One thing I have learned while researching this case is that many untruths were put onto documents in those days,eg, Hannah was single, and living with her parents on the 1871 census, and John Edwin was living with his sister and her Husband in Newcastle under lyne, they got married in 1873; on Barbara's birth certificate it says daughter of Hannah Thomas formaly Davies and John Thomas deceased, but I found no record of a marriage or a death for John Thomas, and John Thomas was a name sometimes given to the male private parts in those days.
On the 1881 census barbara was living with her grand parents as Davies aged 8 ten years later she was said to be 16, and on the 1801 census she was given as head of family and working as house keeper for her father age 22, when in fact she would have been 28, and her father was living 20 or 30 miles away.
Frank