Alice Slater

[kinged]

Hi, I am looking for information on Alice Slater; Alice was born circa 1876 in Lichfield Staffs, on 1881 census  she was living at 31 church lane (school house) Lichfield with her parents John & Hannah Slater, and brothers Joseph, Thomas And George, on 1871 there was also  a Mary Ann, William John, and Hannah Elizabeth Slater as their children.
By 1891 Hannah E Slater had Married Arthur Griffin and was living at 315 Ashton road, Openshaw, Manchester. and Alice was listed as a visitor.
In 1895 William John age 33 was married to a Jessie Eleanor Robins in Rhyl  N Wales.
In 1897 Alice who was single gave birth to a son Thomas Slater, at 16 Gronant St, Rhyl, on the register her Father was given as John Slater, Farmer, and the informant was William John Slater.
Thomas was brought up by John Edwin and Hannah Slater who I can find no connection to Alice, although John Edwin was born in Burton on Trent, and Hannah in Denbigh.
They told their other children that Thomas was found on the doorstep, which sounds to me that John Edwin may have been the father and was told you caused the problem, you bring him up.
IN 1901 Alice was back living with her parents at 4 church lane, lichfield, father was a dairyman, also there was Arthur griffin grandson born 1889 Manchester.
on 1911 census Alice may have been living at 124 victoria st, Openshaw, manchester. as a housekeeper to a William Curtis, her age was given as 35, and her place of birth Lichfied, and still single.
What I woul like to know is did she ever get married, and where might she have been buried as Thomas' children believed that he was the son of John Edwin and Hannah Slater until they discovered the truth in later life and would like to learn what happened to their grandmother.
Thanking you for any cooperation,
Frank

[lizdb]

Where is Thomas (age about 4) in 1901?

I can see the John E, and Hannah and he's not with them.

[lizdb]

In 1897 Alice who was single gave birth to a son Thomas Slater, at 16 Gronant St, Rhyl, on the register her Father was given as John Slater, Farmer, and the informant was William John Slater.

Hi
Can you explain this a bit more ? What register is it?
I thought at first you meant the birth cert, but then you say it gives HER father as John? Who's father? Birth certs would not name the mother's father.  Does this mean HIS father, as in the baby Thomases? Which is how I read it to start with?
Who exactly does it name as mother? (Assuming we are talking a birth cert)
And where does William John fit in? Does he give any relationship, or any reasonwhy he is registering the child not its mother?  That does tie up with the baby being abandoned.

[wrjones]

Thomas was registered in the St Asaph District of Denbighshire 1897.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[Radcliff]

I am a little lost to ,
I see Alice living in the household of Arthur Griffin in 1891 ,which only confirms her connection to Hannah and the child later found with Alices parents,

[lizdb]

William John and Jessie are back in Shropshire by 1901 and little Thomas isnt with them.

[mosiefish]

Thomas is a visitor in Armitage, Staffordshire on the 1901 census.  RG13/2657 folio 45 page 14. Head of Household was a David Cooke and his wife Sarah was born Lichfield.

Mo

[kinged]

Hi all,
thank you all for your prompt replies.
Alice Slater is marked on Thomas' birth gertificate as his mother, and she is a spinster, daughter of John Slater, Farmer, informant was William John Slater,Alice's Brother who was living in Rhyl at the time, I presume Alice went to Rhyl to have the baby to avoid any scandel as her father was sexton and parish clerk christ church.
Thomas was on the 1901 census living with his sister Barbara and brother Ernest at Brynford Nr Holywell on the census, he was also on the census with david cooke and his wife as a visitor at Armitage possibly to be where Alice could visit him without anyone knowing he was her son.
John Edwin Slater and Hannah who brought thomas up were in Llanrwst in 1901, but at the time when Thomas was born they were probably living at the gate house Caerwys, also Nr Holywell which is where they were in 1891; it's possible that they moved to avoid explaining why they suddenly had this new baby as they already had a daughter the same age as Thomas.
I realise this is all very complicated,but Thomas' two daughters and son would like to know what happened to Alice as they knew nothing of their fathers life until ten years ago.
Frank

[lizdb]

Is there a father named on the birth cert.?