quinn family of newtownards

[magicmermaid]

Looking for ancestors of Quinn family that was from george's street in Newtownards back in the early 1900's. William Henry ran the Old cross Inn then his father took over after his sons death at age 25. There were 2 sisters called Lizzie and Clara and both married cavan brothers. Frederick Loftus Quinn seemed to disappear he more than likely immigrated. The probable connection will be the Cavan family.
There was talk that Lizzie became widowed and moved to England. One brother Robert Andrew immigrated to USA and settled in Pennsylvania.( aleady got info on his ancestory) Clara married  Walter Cavan and their daughter became a missionary. They also had a son called harry cavan who was at one time the president of the F.A back in the 70's.

[aghadowey]

There is some information online and since I'm not sure what you already have I will post what I've found.

This looks like the William Henry Quinn that you mentioned-
"Administration of the Estate of William Henry Quinn late of 63 High Street Newtownards County Down Spirit Merchant who died 6 April 1911 granted at Belfast to Thomas Quinn Overseer. Effects £533 3s. 7d."

The family are in the 1901 census in George's St.-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newtownards_Urban/Georges_Street/1259141
Eliza(beth) and 4 children still there in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newtownards_Urban/George_s_Street/268359
We also have an approx. date of marriage (1883) and the fact that she had 8 children but 6 living in 1911 (which means that there is one living child not at home in 1901 or 1911 and 2 who probably died young).

Thomas Quinn (c1860 Co.Down) m. Eliza(beth) (c1864 Co.Armagh or Down)
1. William Henry (c1886-6 Apr.1911)
       1911**- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newtownards_Urban/High_Street/268525
2. Robert A. (c1888)- to America
        http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=667801.0
3. Frederick L. (c1892-alive 1911)
4. Elizabeth/Lizzie (c1895) m. ___ Cavan
5. Clara (c1897) m. Walter Cavan

** the 1911 census was taken on 1 April just a few days before William Henry died. Notice that his religion is listed as Church of Ireland- probably due to the fact that Methodists would not have approved of drinking (let alone running a pub). The rest of the Quinn family also Church of Ireland in 1911.

to be continued...

[aghadowey]

Some details on this Quinn family (and others) here and at the bottom may be information that came from you? (in which case there are details you have not mentioned in your post here)
www.derek-beattie.comxa.com/family-quinn.htm

The birth certificates of any of Eliza's children will show her maiden name. The marriage of Thomas and Eliza will give their residences at the time of marriage as well as names and occupations of their fathers (this should confirm if Thomas' father was a Robert Quinn).

To clear up this statement from the above link- "This pub was owned by a Robert Quinn prior and he had either his grandsons or nephews Fred and William Henry working for him. he left the pub to William henry and sadly he died aged 25. Proni will calender have the will listed and the pub had been left to Thomas Quinn."
PRONI do NOT have a Will for William Henry- there was no Will and Thomas Quinn applied to administer (sort out) the estate.

"Frederick Loftus Quinn seemed to disappear he more than likely immigrated."
Is this a family story or just an assumption based on the fact that you haven't found any trace of him in Ireland after 1911 census?
The online civil registration index only goes up to 1921 for Northern Ireland counties- have you checked later indexes for possible marriage or death?

Wonder if this is Eliza's husband Thomas Quinn in 1911?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/East_Bread_Street/227812

[magicmermaid]

Thank you for your findings. i didn't know fred worked in the pub too and yes it more than likely is Thomas Quinn in East street..Strange thing is my mother his Great grandaughter just moved around the corner from this street in June this year. I did do some research into the sisters but the sister called Lizzie is a bit of a mystery. Clara lived in court street with her hubby walter Cavan but I have never been able to find exactly where. Fred I have tried to find but with no luck at all. No-one on the quinn side has any information on him Just the brother that immigrated to USA and the one that owned the pub. Good to know Robert quinn ran the pub so it must have been in the family in the late 1800's prior to William Henry working there. i do have William Henry's grave no at movilla Cemetery and hope to go looking for it some day. I live quite close to it. I wondered why Thomas wasnt listed with his family. His wife and him must have seperated. Thomas's son George moved to belfast at 17. he is my great grandad. he was a very strict man and wasn't very nice to his wife so she threw him out. Sadly he was killed in the shipyard when he was in in his 50's. his overall caught in the machine and he was pulled into it.
Clara is buried at Movilla with her husband. I found her on 'Billions of graves'. She is my mums great Aunt and my mum has very vivid memories of visiting her when she was a young girl.
I think my main curiosity would be to find out where frederick Loftus went (Gosh what a middle name) and Lizzie Cavan. Thank you so much for all your help and i must try and get their marriage cert along with my great granda's birth certificate that will help fill in more gaps.

[aghadowey]

You need to slow down and back up here- you are adding 2 + 2 and getting 7 instead of 4!

Good to know Robert quinn ran the pub so it must have been in the family in the late 1800's prior to William Henry working there.
I never said that- information came from the online details I found and have not been proven.

I wondered why Thomas wasnt listed with his family. His wife and him must have seperated.
No proof of that either- the census only shows the whereabouts of a person on one particular night. It might simply be that Thomas was working away from home for a short while.

Clara lived in court street with her hubby walter Cavan but I have never been able to find exactly where.
Perhaps have a look through the valuation revision books (www.proni.gov.uk) which go up to c1930. If they lived there later it's probably a case of searching though directories.

[magicmermaid]

sorry i will use the text 'may have instead of 'must have' that way it is still not confirmed ..must check the street directories and see if i can find the street no Clara cavan was living in. I know I am jumping to conclusions its part of the Gemini trait!! But thank you for getting back again.

[skeenagirl]

I realize this thread is old, but I may have your missing Elizabeth/Lizzie Quinn-Cavan in my Boyd tree.  I received an email a day ago through Ancestry.com trees regarding my Elizabeth Quinn who was the 2nd wife of my 2nd great grandfather Charles Boyd.  I had very little info on her, the bits coming from old research by her son John Boyd of Alberta, Canada. His notes stated she was born in Belfast about 1894 and married Charles about 1925, and the name Elizabeth Quinn.

So last night I did some digging. The 1926 Canadian census recently came online. I know Charles operated a livery in Meyronne, Saskatchewan.  In the census I found Charles with the only other member in that household being Elizabeth Cavin, domestic help, immigrated 1924, born in Ireland.
1926 census:  https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=1414561


A bit more digging I found a border crossing record later in 1926 for Elizabeth Cavan, age 32. born in Newtownards, living in Meyronne, travelling to visit her brother Robert Quinn in Pittsburg PA. The record lists her mother Mrs Thomas Quinn living in Newtownards.
FamilySearch.org record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9981-Z3MQ-D?i=247&cc=2185163

I haven't found a marriage record so far, which should be somewhere in Saskatchewan records. And family notes state she's buried in Meyronne Cemetery, but I haven't found a record confirming that yet.

Charles and Elizabeth had 2 sons, Fred and John. As far as I know, John is still alive but I haven't heard from him in years.



Suzette E., British Columbia, Canada

[whiteout7]

"Mr Walter Cavan, Date of Death 13 August 1954, Registry Belfast    .....
Walter Cavan of 55 Pound Street Newtownards and of 26 Bingham Street Bangor both in county Down retired coach builder died 13 August 1954 at latter place Probate Belfast 18 February to Clara Cavan the widow. Effects £1150."

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

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Fredrick Loftus Quinn was still alive in 1937

"Lizzie Quinn, Date of Death 24 June 1937, Registry Belfast   
Quinn Lizzie of 20 Georges Street Newtownards county Down married woman died 24 June 1937 Probate Belfast 13 May to Fred Loftus Quinn labourer. Effects £75."

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

[whiteout7]

In 1927 Frederick Loftus Quinn was applying for a license of a public house in 64 North Street, Newtownards.

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/