ORIGINS: William Harry (Billy) SIMPSON, c.1848-1902

[NJ Holmes]

Thanks JM

Your explanation actually makes a lot of sense. I always thought it was strange that the handwriting was the same for the couple's names as everywhere else on the document, and yet there was no indication of any signature by the couple to corroborate things, not even a "his mark" or "her mark". Given your findings that these are what would seem to be abbreviated copies of the actual register, this would seem like the next place to look.

Thank you again

[Neil Todd]

I may be wrong as usual, But NZ also has a transcribed record available which is supposed to contain ALL the relevant details, IE more than the official certificate. Also cheaper I am led to believe?

Neil

[Neil Todd]

Umm referred to as a PRINT OUT.
See:"The new website can also be accessed from the Department of Internal Affairs website at www.dia.govt.nz

To use the site, people enter a family name and a 'search from date' or a registration number into the search box.

They can then order a certificate or a print out from a list of search results and pay by credit card.

The historic data available is limited so that information relating to people who might still be alive can be protected."

Neil

[majm]

I think the PRINT OUT option is same price as the real deal cert ($26.50) for the civil records to 31 Dec 1874 .... so if the couple had waited five more months to marry, then the print out option offered by NZ BDM may well have the info already 

Cheers,  JM

[Neil Todd]

Argh.....$20.40 NZ Dollars... I was told reliably of course that they often contain all the information from the registers instead of what is on the real deal cert's. I don't think that is an Ironclad guarantee though.

Neil

[cando]

I was advised from someone on the NZ board a few years ago to always order print outs of certificates from New Zealand.  Just my two bob's worth.

Cando

[NJ Holmes]

Hi all

I was advised the same thing, although I think the term "print out" is very misleading.
To me, print out implies a transcript, which it is not.

If you order a certificate, this is an official document (that can be used for obtaining passports etc), but is really only the information transcribed onto an official looking piece of paper by whomever is interpreting the handwriting.

If you order a print out, you get a photocopy of the certificate or register on file. The photocopy is what I have in this case and is of very little informational value. I am loath to order an actual certificate as I very much doubt there will be anything more on it.

Nik

[majm]

Re NZ BDM products currently available to order online 

JM can be pedantic, but in this instance I think being pedantic may help 



If the marriage had taken place AFTER 1 Jan 1875, then the print out should contain more info than the legal certificate.  Until 1 Jan 1875 the same info is on both.

"Printout - post 1874   20.40   A copy of the information from the registration, and usually used for research purposes, it is either handwritten or typed
Printout - pre 1875   26.50   A copy of the information from the registration, and usually used for research purposes.  It is either handwritten or typed
Standard Certificate   26.50   Legal official document
Decorative Certificate   26.50   Legal official document"

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/PaymentsAndProducts/

Cheers, from Pedantic JM   

[majm]

Ummm

I seem to have lost a post.  (Shhhhhh,  I am using my workdesk for work and for fh ..... so perhaps I have overstepped myself  )

Earlier this morning I used the PROV index for outward passage

http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=42

Found SIMPSON on the Thomas and Henry to Otago, Feb 1857.  Found Trove mentions etc. found cargo, but no Trove listings of the passengers.

Cannot find my post NOW    probably because I am rushing to get my work finished 

Mr T Simpson, 35, Mrs Simpson 30, 3 sons, 6, 9, 12.     I am wondering about the 9 year old .... perhaps he was Harry ?

Cheers,  JM