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Offline IJD

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Oral family history
« on: Monday 04 November 13 22:10 GMT (UK) »
If this has been discussed elsewhere, please direct me to the appropriate thread. :)

I'm interested in the reliability of oral history, and wondered whether anyone on here has investigated the family stories handed down to them, and what they had discovered as to the truth, falsity or twisted facts of these oral transmissions. How old were these stories, and how had they varied between collateral lines and over time?

I have three examples;
On my father's line he had a story from a cousin that their ancestor had fought a travelling pugilist at a fair and won the match, but the opponent died from his injuries. A more distant cousin had a version that this ancestor had been put up by his employer to participate in the fight and that he had won a pot of money from it (but no death involved).
Looking at where these different cousins joined up, it seemed this event must have occurred no later than the mid-nineteenth century. Eventually another cousin discovered the truth - in the mid nineteenth century two neighbouring villages were disputing about the ownership of a piece of land that lay between them. To resolve the issue each village put up two men to fight a boxing match - the winning village to take ownership of the plot of land. My ancestor was one of those men put forward, and he and his fellow boxer won the match, becoming minor local celebrities in the process. No deaths are recorded in the historical detail,  nor any cash rewards, but it would be unusual if the locals hadn't placed bets on who was to win, and maybe my ancestor did gain money through it for it seems that shortly afterwards he went from being a farm labourer to being a farmer.
So this oral history survived 170 years, and whilst true in the main, gained some sensationalism and became two different variations.

Another example is from my mother's side.
My mother's mother and uncle believed they descended from a squire who's daughter ran away with the coachman while on her way to school in London. A distant cousin had a similar story, minus the London school, but adding that the squire altered his will so that only the daughters of his runaway daughter could inherit, and that this female inheritance tradition has continued in the family. 
This was supposed to have happened in the early nineteenth century, and my researches have shown that the remembered localities of the events are correct, and that there is a connection with a family of 'independent means' (although on the groom's side rather than the bride), and, more curious, there is a tradition of the daughters, or daughters of daughters, in the family gaining inheritance over the sons (and some cousin-marriages that look as if they are trying to keep this inheritance in the male line).
Again truth in a story from 200 years before, but it seems garbled in some way that I have not yet discovered.

My final example is about a cup and saucer my grandmother gave me. She told me it was given to her by her paternal grandmother, who had it from her grandmother. This takes the object back to before 1830, a date that fits well with the Regency period date given to it by an antique dealer. Unfortunately no anecdote is attached to the object.

I'd be interested to hear about your own researches into family stories, and how you either unraveled the truth, or got knotted in the details.

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Re: Oral family history
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 November 13 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Nothing nearly as exciting as your stories IJD......

When I first started my family history a close family member told me that my great grandmother had been born in a particular village. I then 'found' her in the 1901 census with the appropriately named husband, followed up on this line and did a lot of research. Upon checking the details some time later I realised that the birth year for the person I thought was my great grandfather was miles out and this was the wrong family altogether.  :(  I nearly gave it up entirely at that point but I started again and was able to find the right family and confirm it through other means. This taught me two lessons:

1) Don't assume any oral history is correct
2) Check your facts and remember your maths!  ;)


Oh, and don't give up at the first hurdle, even if it's the Becher's Brook of family history!
Bell, Salter, Street - Devon, Middlesbrough.
Lickess- North Yorkshire, Middlesbrough.
Etherington - North Yorks and Durham.
Barker- North Yorks
Crooks- Durham
Forster- North Yorks/Durham
Newsam, Pattison, Proud - North Yorks.
Timothy, Griffiths, Jones - South Wales

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Re: Oral family history
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 November 13 23:02 GMT (UK) »
My late father told us that he had very rich relatives in the USA.  An aunt of his owned a string of racehorses in Kentucky.  I discovered that the aunt had indeed emigrated in the late 1800's and lived in Kentucky but having made contact with one of her descendants I found that the family had lived in deplorable poverty.

My father also told us that Carlingford in Ireland was named after our family (our surname was Carlin).  Knowing what I now know of that side of my FH - no way ;D

I completely agree with Roobarb's comments re: assumptions on oral history.  I liken it to the old joke that starts "send reinforcements - we're going to advance" and by the time it's passed down the line it ends up at the other end as "send three and fourpence we're going to a dance"

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Re: Oral family history
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 November 13 23:08 GMT (UK) »
My mother had a typical story of there being money which we should have had and that her grandfather had a row with his brother, J who got everything. This was to do with her great grandfather, who founded a printing firm in 1841. My mother's grandfather was the youngest in the family and he made a reasonable living working for the firm, so I discounted the story. Then I met a lady who was descended from the eldest son and she had a very similar story, that her ancestor had knocked his brother J down (the second brother J got the firm) and then sent him a letter of apology. Then I met a lady who is the granddaughter of the remaining brother and her story was exactly the same, that her ancestor had a row with brother J. There is no will. How can you have a printing firm and a large family and not leave a will? J employed all his relations so they had jobs, if they weren't as rich as he was. When he died at the end of WWI J owned houses, cars, jewellery etc and his descendants were very well off. He certainly left a will. claytonbradley
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Re: Oral family history
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 November 13 23:33 GMT (UK) »
Lots of us have probably been told family stories- sometimes true, sometimes partly true, sometimes totally false and then other times inpossible to prove/disprove.

My grandmother was a great source of information and everything she remembered has turned out to be accurate but she also passed down to me some tales that she was told and they are not quite what they first seem to be.

1) grandfather's grandfather was a doctor in Dayton, Ohio but had graduated from Brown Unoversity in Providence, Rhose Island. Yes, he practiced medicine in Dayton and had been born in Ohio so this story seemed quite likely. However, he left Ohio as a small boy with his mother and step-father and Brown University have no record of his attendance. He did a medical coruse in Ohio instead.
2) his paternal grandfather was a sea captain and drowned. Yes, but not that straigtforward. Thanks to a newspaper report of his death I learned that this ship captain drowned- in the well in the back yard!
3) grandfather's father was president of a large American company and was quite well-to-do. The company has no record of even his employment but he was, at one time, a salesman for a company who was taken over by a company who was taken over by the said large company. He did alright financially (two large houses and a large farm in the country) until the Great Depression and an unfortunate second marriage so that part was true.

From the other side of the family-
1) great uncle (quite a famous man) claimed kinship with the family of President Richard M. Nixon. Uncle's family were Quakers from Iowa (no connection there) but his family moved to Whittier, California where they were probably acquainted with the Nixon family (also Quakers). Funnily enough, after the Watergate scandal this connection wasn't much mentioned.
2) Fact- Aunt Bernice belonged to the D.A.R. (Daughters of the American Revolution) which requires descendancy for a Revolutionary ancestor. Problem- who was this unknown ancestor in what seems to be a pristine collection of Loyalist relatives. Turns out the D.A.R. weren't so careful about accepting pedigrees in Aunt Bernice's time and it's most likely that the name of a man with the same name (and same wife's name) as our ancestor was submitted by mistake.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!