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Offline Mike in Cumbria

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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 07 November 13 08:23 GMT (UK) »
From an old faded letter, I learned that an ancestor was a compatriot of
Hereward the Wake. The name meant nothing to me but research rewarded
me with all sorts of fascinating history. Maybe my ancestor wasn't famous
but he knew somebody who was. Like a lot of us perhaps.


Hmm. Perhaps. Hereward the Wake is a semi mythical figure, on the border between legend and history. Although he seems to have existed, no reliable records exist of his family or life, and there are various exaggerated accounts of his actions. What was this faded old letter that you accepted as proof?

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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 07 November 13 10:54 GMT (UK) »
I agree, Mike.   Unless you find a 'gateway' ancestor to which you can link through a well-documented trail, it is almost impossible to trace your family history back to the 11th century.  There is a tree online which purports to link one of my lines to William the Conqueror's family,  and back until the 1500s the research appears to agree with mine.  However, thereafter the site owner has taken great leaps of faith by missing out  the odd hundred years  here and there when it suits his aims, and at other times changing the surname to fit with noble lines he comes across. 

To be honest, if you are  subjective when you're doing FH research  it's likely to make you jump to conclusions.  Distrust everything you find unless you can prove it for yourself.  That way you will get yourself an honest family tree.  Unless of course you aren't interested in what your ancestors were really doing, but only want to boast that you are descended from King Arthur or whatever.  In which case that is likely to be fantasy rather than genealogy. 
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 07 November 13 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I misspoke. I do value facts & real traceable paper files to validate
everything in genealogy. Really.
What I meant was that I had uncovered a piece of 'family lore' that disappeared
several generations ago. I don't care if it is true. In researching Hereward the
Wake, I learned so much English history & geography of East Anglia. Even if my
 ancestor just watched his horse ride by,
I don't care because it can never be validated. But I learned much of what life
might have been like then for my ancestors.
I'm fantasizing, that's why I posted on The Lighter Side.

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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 07 November 13 17:43 GMT (UK) »
Spandy,  I hadn't realised though from  your first post that the Hereward the Wake connection was part of 'family law'.  I must say I love stories like that which are passed down without any real evidence.  My mother told me that we were descended from a beautiful French gypsy woman who arrived in the village long, long ago  on the arm of a dashing sea captain.  This  would be lovely if true, but for as far back as I can find, my ancestors on that side of the family  are all staid and industrious Suffolk Ag Labs.  Would that I could find this colourful  gypsy woman dancing into my tree but as yet she too remains in the realms of 'family law' and I suspect that is where she will stay.  :)
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 07 November 13 18:21 GMT (UK) »
And our family lore is that one of my ancestors was a gardener at a big hall in North Wales and ran off with the Lord's daughter. Like Greensleeves though, all my ancestors turn out to be agricultural labourers, lime burners, horse breakers etc in Shropshire, with (so far) no sign of the runaway lady.  My great aunt was convinced of the story, and I wonder how far back it goes.

I too, misunderstood your Hereward the Wake story, so I apologise for coming across as over sceptical!

Mike


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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 07 November 13 19:03 GMT (UK) »
My family lore (from someone born in the 1850s) stated we came from the Calders in the 1600s - my families surname were in the Calders at this time doing Tailor work. All very plausable, probably untrue, but plausable.

Another (from someone born in 1847 - a famous engineer) stated in a book published in 1922 we originated from Dalkeith and he was related to another engineer there.

The engineer from Dalkeith (born in 1821) failed to connect the guy from 1847 in his extensive family tree he did in the 1880s. He HAD my family as a seperate entity in his family tree, why? who knows apart from the fact they were all world famous engineers with the same surname. 

I hate family lore, as it gets in the way of facts. 300 years of history and I still can't connect them!

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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 07 November 13 19:23 GMT (UK) »
  My mother told me that we were descended from a beautiful French gypsy woman who arrived in the village long, long ago  on the arm of a dashing sea captain.  This  would be lovely if true, but for as far back as I can find, my ancestors on that side of the family  are all staid and industrious Suffolk Ag Labs.  Would that I could find this colourful  gypsy woman dancing into my tree but as yet she too remains in the realms of 'family law' and I suspect that is where she will stay.  :)

   Family legends can and I suspect often do arise from a chance remark.     A friend once told me that it was of little use trying to trace her mother's family since they had been gypsies.   A year or two later Jean had a trip back to England to see her mother.    The subject of family history came up and Jean referred her mother to the fact that Nan had been a gypsy.    Her mother was really surprised and said, 'Where did you get that from?'
   
    Jean then said that it was her mother herself that had told her.    Her mum thought for a bit and then burst out laughing.

     Fortunately she recalled having once said that her mother was 'a bit of a gypsy' meaning gathering things.

      An aunt once told me that my gt.grandfather was a gamekeeper, which we know to be true since I have a photo of him wearing a gamekeeper's uniform.     However when I got his death certificate it had been a lung problem almost certainly Phthisis.    I then looked up the local paper for that week wondering if there was anything in the story.   What I found was that the whole area around East Retford had been inundated with torrential rains which caused floods everywhere.

       Another aunt then told me that he had been chasing a poacher but had misjudged the size of a small river when trying to jump it and had fallen in, caught a severe cold and died from that.   Again the story was being stretched.   But you can see how misunderstandings can easily creep into family stories and of course we all want to hear the colourful side.
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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 07 November 13 23:30 GMT (UK) »
I worked with someone with the surname Wake who had a properly authenticated family tree (and titled relatives!) going back to Hereward.

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Re: How to discover who I am related to that are famous?
« Reply #35 on: Friday 08 November 13 02:24 GMT (UK) »
One biography of Hereward suggested that The Wake meant he was alert.
More pondering here on the origins of surnames. Especially because mine
makes some people smirk.