BAPTISM Yeomans Desborough 1827

[seahall]

I can not seem to find any headstones for the 2 women  .

None would be in the original place as they are in rows nowadays.

I will list from the Northants Baptism Indexes the children prior to the 3 you
mentioned.

Then I think we will see it is possible to have John and Elizabeth as their parents.

Sandy

[seahall]

Okay three earlier children, 2 match to the 1841 census.

Samuel 01 Apr 1804, Hannah and Ruth are baptised 19 Jun 1808
also Mary 24 Sep 1821.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wqp/

So it is totally possible the other 3 children Joseph, Ann and Martha are also
belonging to them. 

Sandy 

[Bob2000]

Okay three earlier children, 2 match to the 1841 census.

Samuel 01 Apr 1804, Hannah and Ruth are baptised 19 Jun 1808

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wqp/

So it is totally possible the other 3 children Joseph, Ann and Martha are also
belonging to them. 

Sandy

Thanks for all your hard work on my behalf, seahall. Much appreciated.

Your conclusion is the one that I arrived at: Joseph, Ann and Martha are likely to be the children of John Yeomans and Elizabeth Moore who married on 25-12-1802.

Quite a few other Yeomans historians have recorded this as 'fact'. For example
http://yeomans.info/26501.html

Perhaps they have seen information that changes the parentage of Joseph, Ann & Martha from likely to probable. I was just hoping to find out what those pieces of information were. 

Actually, I naively assumed that Ann & Martha died because I couldn't find them in the 1841 census. Of course, they could have married and moved away. I will look into this possibility.

[seahall]

Hi again Bob.

Well if we add up the children it made 7 and Mr. Yeomans
says 6. 

The thing that threw me was a person of Independent Means, Retired Farmer,
was a Labouer at the time of the children's baptism.

I found some graves but we can not put them on the Look up Boards.

P.M. me if you are interested.

Sandy

[Bob2000]

Well if we add up the children it made 7 and Mr. Yeomans
says 6. 

That's interesting, was that on the 1827 baptism record?

I have the following as possible children of John Yeomans & Elizabeth Moore
Samuel Yeomans 1803 – 1881
Ruth Yeomans 1808 – 1881
Ann Yeomans 1810? – 1835?
Joseph Yeomans 1812 – 1895
Martha Yeomans 1814 – ?
William Yeomans 1818 – 1818
Mary Yeomans 1821 – 1890

William had died at the time of Joseph/Ann/Martha's baptism in 1827. Is 6 the number of living children?

The thing that threw me was a person of Independent Means, Retired Farmer, was a Labouer at the time of the children's baptism.

I didn't know that. Yes, I agree, it doesn't seem quite right.

I found some graves but we can not put them on the Look up Boards.
P.M. me if you are interested.

Sandy

Thank you, will do.

Here's my reply to your earlier questions:

The Joseph who married in Newton was from Rothwell (at time of Marriage)
only a mile down the road.

I could look at the original marriage certificate later in week if no helps beforehand
to see if there are any clues.

That's most kind of you. I have made a note that the marriage witnesses were William Thompson & Lucy Tebbutt but I didn't note the source of this information (doh!)

I have speculated that Lucy Tebbutt was the daughter (born 29 Nov 1805) of Thomas & Martha Tebbutt. I don't think that the bride Ann was Lucy's sister. I would be interested to know if Lucy's signature looks like an old lady's handwriting!

You say that Ann and Martha have died before the 1841 census, I can certainly see
a burial for girls with that name being buried there, as over 18, yet the only John and
Elizabeth on the N.M.I. is for a John Yeomans to an Elizabeth Moore in 1802.

Therefore could you confirm for us where you found the details of the children dying please.

I use a combination on An****** and Fam***search.org (can we write corporate website names on RootsChat?) to source my information. The first site isn't too good for pre-1837 stuff and the second site is free but you can't guarantee the accuracy or completeness.

Other public family trees on An****** indicate that the girls died before 1841 (with a variety of burial years). I just followed the crowd... Now I realise that this was a mistake 

[seahall]

Hi again.

Now I am at it. 

Looks like there was 8 children.
Samuel, Ruth, Hannah, Ann, Joseph, Martha, William, Mary.

Mr Yeomans on his link http://yeomans.info/26501.html does not list
William or Mary.

Sandy

[seahall]

The Lucy Tebbutt on the marriage between Joseph and Ann might be a clue.

There is no baptism on the N.B.I. that I can see for Ann.

Lucy marries John Goodman a widower from Rockingham and is with him in
1841 aged 35 which would be correct with a birth date of 1805 although
not baptised until 1810.

Therefore we need to look and see whether as you suggest, one Lucy signs her mark
then we not know for sure, or if she signs, if the signature is similar to a possible
marriage one.

Sandy

[Bob2000]

The Lucy Tebbutt on the marriage between Joseph and Ann might be a clue.

There is no baptism on the N.B.I. that I can see for Ann.

Lucy marries John Goodman a widower from Rockingham and is with him in
1841 aged 35 which would be correct with a birth date of 1805 although
not baptised until 1810.

Therefore we need to look and see whether as you suggest, one Lucy signs her mark
then we not know for sure, or if she signs, if the signature is similar to a possible
marriage one.

Sandy

Thanks very much seahall. More great information.

In the meantime, I will carry out some more detective work on the other marriage witness: William Thompson.

[mgeneas]

[There are two possible burials listed in the IGI
Martha Yeomons burial: 13 January 1831 in Desborough, Northampton, England
Martha Yeomans burial: 24 September 1837 in Desborough, Northampton, England

Does either of those have an age of death that indicates a birth year of 1813 or 1814, please?
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Only one burial in Desborough for a Martha
Martha   YEOMANS   of Little Bowden   1831   13-Jan at Desborough age   18