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Thomas William Welsh
« on: Sunday 03 November 13 03:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone. It's the first time I've visited Rootschat for some time. Could someone please help us find evidence of Thomas William Welsh (b. 1865 Northern Ireland) emigrating to Victoria, Australia, and/or evidence of occupation or place of residence in Geelong, Victoria, Australia. His wife, Isabella Allan Welsh, and children William Bruce (b. Peshawar, India 1895), Robert Allan (b. 1905 Ayr, Scotland), May Motgomery (b. 1908 Ayr, Scotland), John Moore (b.1913 Whitletts, Ayr, Scotland) and Elizabeth Montgomery Welsh, (b. unknown) all came to Australia at various times, although we can find no record of Thomas, May or Elizabeth's arrivals. We believe that Thomas William Welsh may have been in the military, partly because William Bruce Welsh was born in Peshawar, India. We can find no evidence of Thomas William's miltary service record, although William Bruce Welsh's military serivce record exists on the National Archives of Australia. The Welsh family can be found on the 1901 census, living in Midlothian, and Isabella (Rollo/Rolley) can be found on the 1891 census, working as a domestic servant in the home of Henry James Montgomery, who lived at Chesnut Square, Wellesbourne, Warwickshire. Isabella came to Australia with her son, John Moore Welsh (aged 14) in 1927, and Robert Allan Welsh came to Australia in 1929. William Bruce Welsh came to Australia in 1913.
Pegler/Smith/Keen/Riddle-Thomas/Slocombe/Wheadon/Hewett/Taft/Poxon/Gibson/Salt/Muir...and on hubby's line, Welsh/Moore/ Moor/Rollo/Rolley/Rowley/Dunbar/Treloar/Lane/Dillon/Thompson/Jones. This is a work in progress, so expecting more names to be added...

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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 November 13 07:37 GMT (UK) »




This enquiry would be better placed on the Australia board, where folks with access to local resources would see it.

What BDM Australia documents do you have please.

Electoral Roll 1949 and 1954
Isabella Allan WELSH at Woolloomanatta Lara Lake Victoria

1925
Elizabeth Montgomery WELSH
Margaret Allan WELSH     nurses, Mental Hospital, Goodna, QLD

Who is Margaret Allan WELSH...another daughter?

Do you have death certificate for Isabella, which should list her children.

There is a ten year gap between first (1895) and second (1905) child that you list. Maybe some missing births to find? 

When the children of Thomas and Isabella married (in Victoria?) certificate would give father's occupation.

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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 November 13 11:55 GMT (UK) »
This is my third attempt at a reply as when I'm halfway through writing my reply, it disappears and I have to start again. Thanks for the advice re posting on a Oz board. It's been a long time since I've posted anything so have to find my way around again. Yes, we knew that Isabella spent the latter years of her life at Lara. As for Thomas, we believe he is buried in the East Geelong cemetery, albeit in the C of E section, compared to Isabella being in the Presbyterian part. We have yet to visit their graves. As for Oz BMD certs. we have hubby's parents marriage cert., (Coburg 1941) which states that Thomas is deceased, his former occupation listed as 'Inventor.' In 1901 census he is listed as an electrician. Margaret Allan is listed as Maggie A, the eldest on the 1901 census, aged seven. Thanks for the info re May and Margaret being nurses in Queensland. First we've heard of it. We have John Moore's death cert. (Coburg 1955), and have found many of his criminal activities on the nla site after hubby's family split in 1948. We do not have a death certificate for Isabella. Thanks for all your help. Flownthenest
Pegler/Smith/Keen/Riddle-Thomas/Slocombe/Wheadon/Hewett/Taft/Poxon/Gibson/Salt/Muir...and on hubby's line, Welsh/Moore/ Moor/Rollo/Rolley/Rowley/Dunbar/Treloar/Lane/Dillon/Thompson/Jones. This is a work in progress, so expecting more names to be added...

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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 November 13 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Help would be appreciated looking Thomas William Welsh. The Welsh family (or part of it) came to Australia in dribs and drabs, William Bruce Welsh in 1913, Isabella Allan Welsh and her son John Moore in 1927 (Isabella's age, 57, occupation 'Grocer'), and Robert Allan Welsh, another son, in 1929. Other children came to Australia at times unknown, May Montgomery Welsh, and Elizabeth Montgomery Welsh, also Margaret A. Welsh. We believe there were ten children in all, some of them feature on the 1901 census in Midlothian, where Thomas is listed as an electrician. We have an aussie marriage certificate for John Moore Welsh (Coburg 1941), and his death cert. (Coburg 1955). On this marriage certificate, Thomas Welsh is listed as deceased, as his occupation recorded as 'Inventor.' Isabella Allan Welsh died in 1954 and is buried in the East Geelong cemetery. There is also a Thomas Welsh buried there (d. 1935) although we have yet to visit the graves. We can find no record of Thomas William Welsh coming to Australia, or of his residence in this country.
Pegler/Smith/Keen/Riddle-Thomas/Slocombe/Wheadon/Hewett/Taft/Poxon/Gibson/Salt/Muir...and on hubby's line, Welsh/Moore/ Moor/Rollo/Rolley/Rowley/Dunbar/Treloar/Lane/Dillon/Thompson/Jones. This is a work in progress, so expecting more names to be added...


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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 November 13 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Here is a link to your earlier post on emigration board to save duplicating the research  :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666810.new#new

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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 02:46 GMT (UK) »
From your other thread--


Here is an obit to the Thomas Welsh of Aberdeen st who died in July http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32172064

Cobden and district will regret to hear of the death of Mr. Thomas
Welsh, at Aberdeen street. Geeiong West, on Thursday, July 11. Mr.
Welsh was manager of the National Bank, Cobden, about twelve years
ago. He was 74 years of age. and leaves a wife and two daughters
 (Nancy and Phyllis).

regards,
   Ros

Not sure he fits the profile of our Thomas William Welsh then. Our Thomas was listed as an electrician on the 1901 census in Midlothian. He sure is elusive! Hardly think he'd been the manager of a woollen mill either. But thanks anyway, we'll keep looking.

From your Original Post this thread-

There is also a Thomas Welsh buried there (d. 1935) although we have yet to visit the graves.[/i] 

It is clear neither of these is the correct man so I do not think visiting the graves will be of assistance.

What makes you think he ever left Scotland?

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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 03:10 GMT (UK) »
William WELSH's attestion papers dated 26 Feb 1915 list his mother as NOK.  This suggests his father was deceased by this date.
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=8381251&S=1&T=R
Letter advising Army of correct place of birth
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=8381251&S=13&T=R

Have you searched the 1911 Scottish Census for this family?

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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 03:13 GMT (UK) »
Would you please detail Thomas William WELSH's year of birth and his parents' names please.

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Re: Thomas William Welsh
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 November 13 03:27 GMT (UK) »
Is this the family to which you are referring on the 1901 Scottish Census?

1901 Scottish Census Inveresk 13/15/1

Living at 33 Forth View, Inveresk, Midlothian

WELSH Thomas  Head 33 years Electrician  Born Ireland
WELSH Isabella A R  Wife  31 years Born Dundonald, Ayrshire
WELSH Maggie A  Dau 7 years  Scholar  Born Dundonald, Ayrshire
WELSH William F  Son 5 years  Scholar  Born Dondonald, Ayrshire
WELSH Annie I D  Dau 3 years Born Dondonald, Ayrshire
WELSH Helen  Dau 2 years Born Dondonald, Ayrshire
WELSH Isabella A  Dau 1 year  Born Dondonald, Ayrshire

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