Thomas William Welsh

[flownthenest]

Yes, that is the census we found a while ago. We have yet to learn what happened to Helen. On emigating, Isabella gave her address at 21 Main Road, Whitletts, Ayr, Scotland. Also, we have yet to learn how William Bruce happened to be born at Peshawar, India, instead of Ayr, as he thought. In his service record (Australia National Archive) there is a letter from William, stating that he'd always thought he'd been born in Ayr, Scotland, but he'd since learned that he was actually born in Peshawar, India. Thank you for your help. flownthenest

[cando]

There is a marriage on ScotlandsPeople for a Thomas WELSH and Isabella ROLLEY in 1893.  I do not have any credits to look at the record.

The entry for their son William is not William B but William F

I find it strange that Thomas would give the enumerator information to be so inaccurate.

Have you searched for the births of their children on ScotlandsPeople?

Once again... 

Have you searched the 1911 Scottish Census for this family?

There is no need to repeat information which is already on the thread eg the links were given to Wm's attestion papers on a previous post.

Cando

[cando]

There is a death for a Thomas WELSH born 1868 in 1902 in Midlothian on ScotslandsPeoples.  I suggest you purchase this record to establish if it is your person of interest.

Cando

[cando]

I have asked the moderators to merge these threads.  Confusing to have threads running about the same person.                 Topics Merged

Cando

[majm]

Thanks Cando,  I was about to suggest a merging  as I was getting so confused, and I am still not sure who actually arrived and who did not.   

Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

The death of a daughter shown on the census per Cando


CHEAL  Annie Jane Dunba
Father  Welsh Thomas
Mother  Isabella
Death Place  GEEL
Age  83
Year 1981
Reg Number  17418


Sue

[sparrett]

There is a marriage on ScotlandsPeople for a Thomas WELSH and Isabella ROLLEY in 1893.  I do not have any credits to look at the record.

The entry for their son William is not William B but William F

I find it strange that Thomas would give the enumerator information to be so inaccurate.


Cando

Death
WELSH William Bruce
Father Thomas
Mother  Isabella  ROLLO
Death Place  MELB
Age  64
Year 1959
Reg Number  4146

This announcement has been given by Ros  (somewhere  )
WELSH-D'ARCY. - On the 24th June, at All Saints' Church, East St. Kilda, by Rev. Jones, William Bruce, eldest son of Mrs T. Welsh of Ayr, Scotland, to Adelaide Frances, eldest     daughter of late Tom D'Arcy and Mrs D'Arcy, Commercial road, South Yarra. (Interstate papers please copy)

Electoral Roll 1931
Address- 15 Toolangi Rd Alphington (EDIT to add suburb accidentally omitted)
WELSH, William James B  Sales
WELSH Adelaide Frances HD

They do not appear together on  the rolls after this.

William becomes hard to track as the occupations for men of the name (who may or may not be him) are inconsistent ranging from mechanic to nil and at various addresses.

Death

WELSH Adelaide Frances
Father Darcy Thomas
Mother  Marianne Maude  PERRY
Death Place  CHEL
Age 66
Year 1959
Reg Number 14488

The letter in his file dated 1936 (or 38) seems to say he is planning to leave for Europe. Wonder why it was important to establish  a birthplace of India right there and then.

The letter is written in an educated hand and the wording is also well managed.
The second given name BRUCE only appears in the letter, not on the attestation documents.

Sue

[flownthenest]

Hi All,
Taking advice of more experience members, we bought credits on Scotland's people and have found the wedding certificate of Thomas and Isabella. They married in 1893 at Ayr, and we also obtained the 1911 census that shows them living at Ayr with their eight children. They did, of course, go on to have more children. We wish we'd bought credits years ago. Thanks to you all for your help. We are now looking forward to finding out more, now that we know the names of Thomas's parents (Richard Welsh and Anne Jane Dunbar). We found on 'Mapping our Anzacs' that there were only three recorded births at Peshawar, India and that William Bruce Welsh was one of them. Now we will try to find out how Isabella and Thomas have contacts with India.

[sparrett]

Hi All,
Taking advice of more experience members, we bought credits on Scotland's people and have found the wedding certificate of Thomas and Isabella. They married in 1893 at Ayr, and we also obtained the 1911 census that shows them living at Ayr with their eight children. They did, of course, go on to have more children. We wish we'd bought credits years ago. Thanks to you all for your help. We are now looking forward to finding out more, now that we know the names of Thomas's parents (Richard Welsh and Anne Jane Dunbar). We found on 'Mapping our Anzacs' that there were only three recorded births at Peshawar, India and that William Bruce Welsh was one of them. Now we will try to find out how Isabella and Thomas have contacts with India.

The only reason the "Mapping our Anzacs" site (whose records, by the way, come from the National Archives of Australia and you have the information from said Archives) show the birth of William(James? ) Bruce WELSH as India, not Scotland is because he wrote the letter requesting the change in his place of birth on the records.

To date there is no evidence that this was true. No birth certificate was required by the forces.

Sue