Thomas William Welsh

[flownthenest]

Thanks Wivenhoe,
Decided to get the cert. you mentioned. Details as follows:
Ann Jane Moor (widow of Joseph Moore) 3.1.1906 Residence 207 High St. Ayr. Father -----Dunbar, Deceased
MS -------(Deceased) Cardiac failure. 65 years. Informant: William James Moor (Son)
Got William James Moor's birth cert. and his parents married 1871 in Lisburn, Ireland. He was born 1872 Woodstone, Ayr. So, it appears that Richard Welsh died and that Ann married Joseph Moor. Found 1881 on familysearch (nothing on scot's site) with a Thomas Welch Moor living in Maybole, Ayr, aged 13, but can't confirm as can't get original census.

[flownthenest]

Meant to add that it is possible that William J Moore on Thomas Welsh's marriage certificate could have been be his half brother. Do you know if people at the time went backwards and forwards between Ireland and Scotland easily, or often? Thanks for your help...

[flownthenest]

Wivenohoe and all,
On Ann Jane Moor's death cert. mother is stated as : Ann Jane Dunbar MS ---------

Also, we found a transcript of the 1881 census for Maybole. Details as follows:

Joseph MOOR M 51 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Agricultural labourer
Annie MOOR F 40 Ireland
Rel: Wife
Thomas Welch MOOR 12 M Ireland
Rel: Son
William James MOOR 8 M Kirkmichael, Ayrshire
Rel: Son

This doesn't explain why Thomas says he is born Ireland on 1901 census, and then Maybole on 1911 census. Unless he learned that his birth details were incorrect in some way. The MOOR connection perhaps explains the Moore part of hubby's father name (John Moore Welsh).

We are now trying to find Richard Welsh, named as Thomas's father on wedding and death cert. and, presumably, his father.

[flownthenest]

Does anyone have access to Scottish newspapers of the early 1900's, please? The RCE related to the death of Thomas Welsh in 1913, states that he died at Workman's Buildings, King St. Ayr at between 1 and 4am, falling from a verandah and fracturing his skull. There is a page on Rootschat about this place, commonly know in the area at the time as Spion Kop, after the old battle. We're wondering if there was a newspaper report, which might tell us the circumstances surrounding the accident. Regarding the number of children, in 1911, there had been 11 births to Thomas and Isabella, of which 10 were still living. Of course, at that time, John Moore was yet to be born (1913). The rootschat page is titled Spion Kop (Workman's Dwellings) King St. Ayr. There is a photo posted that shows a three story buildings surrounded by verandah's, from which Thomas may have fallen. Cheers all   flownthenest

[flownthenest]

Sorry, should have given the date of the death of Thomas Welsh. He died between 1 and 4am, on 10th May 1913, and the Register of Corrected Entry was made on 23rd May, 1913. Ironically, the date of the RCE was on his birthday...The family home, 4 Blackhouse Crescent, was only five minutes away..

[flownthenest]

The 1901 census (as posted by Cando on Page one of this topic) was correctly transcribed. Thomas did state his occupation as 'Electrician,' and his birthplace as 'Ireland.'

[jonn]

Hello Barbara,

Do you have anything on the Rolley's, or Allan's.

Jonn.

[flownthenest]

Hi Jonn,
We know a little about the Allan's and Rolley's.
Isabella's parents names: William Rolley and Margaret Allan, 1866.
The names of Isabella's siblings, James 1868, (Isabella 1870 Dreghorn), William 1873 do, Margaret 1875 do, Mary 1877, Helen 1879, Robert 1881.
Margaret Allan's parents: James Allan m Isabella Watson at Kilwinning, 27th May 1838. Isabella Watson born 1819, daughter of James Watson and Agnes Hood. James Allan born 1812, his parents James Allan and Margaret Wallace.
Children of James Allan and Isabella Watson: Agnes 1840, Margaret 1842, Ann 1845, James 1857.
Isabella Watson died 1874 at Dreghorn.
That's about all we have, subject to finding further info. We have no certificates for these at present, but some film numbers, indexing etc. if they are useful.
Regards, Barbara and John

[jonn]

Hello Barbara,

Yes I saw most of that,

Here is a census for the Rolley's. 1881. not sure if you have it.

Dalmellington Road, Drybridge, ( Hamlet )

Rolley William, Head, Ag. Lab. M. age 40 years, M. born Kirkoswald, Ayr,
Rolley Margaret, Wife, M. age 39 years, F. born Kilbirnie, Ayr
Rolley James, Son, Coal Miner, age 13 years, M. born Dundonald, Ayr,
Rolley Isabella, Daur, age 10 years, F. born Dreghorn, Ayr,
Rolley William, Son, age 8 years, M. born Dundonald, Ayr,
Rolley Margaret, Daur, age 6 years, F. born, Dundonald, Ayr,
Rolley Mary, Daur, age 4 years, F. born, Dundonald, Ayr,
Rolley Hellen, Daur, age 2 years, F. Born, Dundonald, Ayr,
Rolley Robert, Son, Age 1 month, M. born, Dundonald, Ayr.

On Scottish Census Records, do not take places of birth as certain.

Do you not have the actual marriage certificate of William Rolley, and Margaret Allan, 1866. which would give the parents names of William Rolley, and Margaret Allan.

Regards
Jonn.