Swans of Northumberland

[sherekhan]

also this `National Archives.. West part of Lookout Farm - Delaval Family Papers.- Delaval (Lord Waterford) MSS.ESTATES.SEATON ESTATES.. Leases original bundle of leases for 3 years marked as expiring 1780, West part of Lookout Farm to Jn & Wm Swan @ £90 pa` dated 30 Dec 1775 - ref 2/DE/1/5/2
Could this be perhaps 2 brothers of Robert or Extended family still to be found
Paul

[Radcliff]

Durham inheritance project has the probate and will of Robert Swan of Whitridge in the Parish of Earsdon,viewable online
date of probate,4th May 1838
registered copy of will,7th of April 1835
DPR/I/1/1838/S45/1-2


there are quite a few wills that may be of interest to you

[sherekhan]

Had a look, any idea how i view the actual documents...
Paul

[Radcliff]

you should be able to view them click on the reference number for one you want and it should come up in another window,

[Anydogsbody]

Just an extract of research info attributable to R D Peacock to be found at

http://be.convdocs.org/docs/index-104721.html?page=9

Rather odd website but info looks OK


* William SWANN (Bef 1600)   (d. May 1628) m. ?Jannet (Bef 1600)   (1611)

. * John SWANN (ABT 1600)   (9 Feb 1662) m. ? (Abt 1600)   

. . * John SWANNE (Abt 1630)   (May 1690) m. (4 Oct 1666) Elizabeth PATTESON

. . . * Robert SWANN (1677)   (July 1749) m. (3 Nov 1709) Ann RAND ( )   (Jan 1743/4)


The above are the early generations from Woodhorn Parish.


1. Robert SWANN b. 1677, Woodhorn NBL, c. 4 Oct 1677, Woodhorn NBL, occ. Yeoman, Taylor, Baker, m. 3 Nov 1709, in Woodhorn NBL, Ann RAND, d. Jan 1743/4, Bedlington NBL, bu. 3 Jan 1743/4, Bedlington Churchyard NBL. Robert died July 1749, Bedlington NBL, bu. 27 July 1749, Bedlington Churchyard NBL.

Children:

i Elizabeth SWANN b. 1710, Bedlington NBL, c. 9 Nov 1710, Bedlington, NBL, m. 7 Nov 1732, in Bedlington NBL, Thos. EMMELTON.

ii Margaret SWANN b. 1713, Bedlington, Northumberland, c. 4 June 1713, Bedlington NBL.

2. iii John b. 1715.

iv Ann SWANN b. 1718, Bedlington NBL, c. 27 Mar 1718, Bedlington NBL, d. 1741, Bedlington NBL, bu. 2 April 1741, Bedlington Churchyard NBL.

3. v Robert b. 1720.

vi Mary SWANN b. 1722, Bedlington NBL, c. 10 June 1722, Bedlington NBL, m. 31 Jan 1744, in Bedlington NBL, Robert WHALE.

vii Sarah SWANN b. 1724, Bedlington NBL, c. 12 Nov 1724, Bedlington NBL, d. 1753, Bedlington NBL, bu. 28 June 1753, Bedlington NBL.


Second Generation


2. John SWAN b. 1715, Bedlington NBL, c. 13 Oct 1715, Bedlington NBL, occ. Weaver, Parish Clerk, m. 7 April 1745, in Horton by Blyth NBL, Mary EDINGTON, bu. 10 June 1764, Bedlington NBL. John died 29 Mar 1795, Bedlington NBL.

Children:

i Anne SWAN b. 1744, Bedlington NBL, c. 28 May 1744, Bedlington NBL.

ii Mary SWAN b. 1745, Bedlington NBL, c. 2 Feb 1745, Bedlington NBL, d. Mar 1768, Bedlington NBL, bu. 2 April 1768, Bedlington NBL.

iii Margaret SWAN b. 1748, Bedlington NBL, c. 24 Jul 1748, Bedlington NBL, d. Aug 1809, Bedlington NBL, bu. 22 Aug 1809, Bedlington NBL.

iv Isabel SWAN b. 1750, Bedlington NBL, c. 16 Sept 1750, Bedlington NBL, d. Dec 1760, Bedlington NBL, bu. 17 Dec 1760, Bedlington NBL.

v Sarah SWAN b. 1753, Bedlington NBL, c. 7 Oct 1753, Bedlington NBL.

vi Robert SWAN b. 1757, Bedlington NBL, c. 9 Jan 1757, Bedlington NBL, d. April 1776, Bedlington NBL, bu. 13 Apr 1776, Bedlington NBL.

vii John SWAN b. 1760, Bedlington NBL, c. 20 Jan 1760, Bedlington NBL, d. July 1761, Bedlington NBL, bu. 21 July 1761, Bedlington NBL.

viii John SWAN b. 1762, Bedlington NBL, c. 21 Feb 1762, Bedlington NBL, d. 6 March 1765, Bedlington NBL.


3. Robert SWANN b. 1720, Bedlington NBL, c. 14 April 1720, Bedlington NBL, occ. Labourer, m. 19 Nov 1755, in Earsdon by North Shields NBL, Dorothy RICKERBY, b. Abt 1732, d. 19 April 1803, Bedlington NBL, bu. 22 April 1803, Bedlington NBL. Robert died April 1787, Bedlington NBL, bu. 25 April 1787, Bedlington Churchyard NBL.

[Anydogsbody]

Can anyone answer a question about age declaration on marriage licence applications in England in 1802?

Was the intending groom's age accurate to a specific year or was it rounded up/down for any reason?

Robert Swan, in 1802 gives his age as 30 years and upwards. Does that mean he is somewhere in his 4th decade or is it his actual age?

I am inclined to think it's his actual age because his bride to be is stated as being 27 years. If the same convention was followed i.e declaring age to the decade, then her age would be given as 20 years and upwards.

Thoughts?

[Gen List Lass]

I've just skimmed all 10 pages of posts for this subject and will throw in another nugget!

MY SWANs were living in North Shields at one time, butchers. Also in North Shields at the same time was another (?) family of Swans who became the ancestors of the famous Swan Hunters shipyard family who became very rich and elevated.

MY North Shields SWANs I have traced back to Morpeth (near to many other places mentioned in previous posts!) They were butchers and in guilds in Morpeth. My earliest SWAN is John Swan b c 1785 in Morpeth NBL. Butchering (!) ran in the family, lots of the sons became butchers. Between 1811 and 1826 he moved to North shields, he'd married a local lass Sarah Kell. They must have had thriving businesses, living and working in "The Jungle" area of North Shields, possibly providing all those ships with meat. They lived at Clive Street, Swans Quay.

There were also their relation Richard Swan who lived at High House, Morpeth, a corn merchant. and another Richard Swan who was a butcher in Newcastle, also a thriving business. The name Richard Swan appears often in this tree.

Later on the North Shields lot had shipping links but so far I've not been able to prove a link between the SWAN butchers and the SWAN Hunters shipyard millionaires. They did do business together but it may be just a coincidence.

Gen in NBL England

[Anydogsbody]

Hi, Swans are locally common in Northumberland if not in the other parts of the country......doesn't help.

If the line of research that I/we are following is correct I can certainly see a link to famous Swans, namely Sir Joseph Wilson Swan who(contrary to popular myth about Edison) invented the incandescent light bulb. He, I think, was a descendent of John Swan who was a son of Dorothy Rickerby.

I've wondered about the Swan Hunter connection simply because of the name coincidence and some branches of the family seem to be quite prosperous and capable but I can't see it at the moment

[sherekhan]

recap of my Swans.
Lydia SWAN b 1775 Cowpen Baptised 6 July 1775 Horton Parish (as per Family search BT`s) unable to check on-line as 1775 page is missing. Married John Gledson 5 Aug 1797 aged 22, at Earsdon Parish (is on on-line BT`s).

On Family search https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Alydia~%20%2Bsurname%3Aswan~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1775-1775~    it states her parents were Robert and Dorothy Swan.

Robert b 1750 d 1819 Cowpen High House aged 69.

Dorothy daughter of Robert Swan( see the other gravestone inscription) of Cowpen High House and grand-daughter of the above Joseph Swan died April 9 1813 aged 57 years.

So looking at the quote Dorothy was probably a sister to Robert (although I have not got her in my tree.  As both had a connection to Cowpen High House.