Swans of Northumberland

[patricks 123]

Hi Claire,

In your research have your came across Ann Swan who married Joseph Clarke in Stannington on 23 March 1812. I'm researching my mother's family tree who are the Clark(e) family who I have traced back to the Stannington area, they lived at Shotton Edge for a time.

Thanks - Patrick

[..claire..]

Hi Patrick

Welcome to Rootschat 

What kind of info are you looking for ?  I ( and others  I'm sure ) will do my best to help.

claire

[..claire..]

Hi

Think this maybe her baptism, although it's very hard to read ( right on the fold of the page )

 Ann bp. 1 June 1888,  dau. of Henry and Isobel Swan, Stannington.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11930-23524-24?cc=1309819&wc=M6KG-TPD:13617901,30647501,30647502

claire

[Patricks]

Thanks for info Claire and for welcoming me 

I am trying to track my ancestors back as far as I can so any info on Ann Clark would be a big help.

Thanks again.

Patrick

[..claire..]

Hi

After further looking that isn't Ann's baptism, that surname is Towns, parents married in Stannington the year before.

There are no SWAN bmd's in the register upto about 1795, will do some more digging tomorrow, it's getting a bit late now.

claire

[Patricks]

Thanks very much Claire.

[Anydogsbody]

Looking back at the gravestone evidence round about post 59 and working back I've come up with the following.

We know that Robert Swan married Isabel Hindmarsh from the marriage licence etc and that his age was 30 in 1802. Various years of birth appear for Robert according to whose research you look at but I think in the light of his own declaration in 1802 the date of baptism of 7/5/1773 is likely to be accurate.

His parents we know(from the gravestone evidence) are Joseph Swan and Ann ?

Joseph was 82 in 1826(from the gravestone evidence) making his year of birth 1744. A Joseph Swan was born in Horton, Blyth on 14th June 1744 with parents Robert Swan and Lydia or Lidia. He is the only credible option for the Joseph Swan we are looking for. Joseph Swan subsequently married Ann Hindmarsh on 22/5/1766 and so we begin to see that the Swans and the Hindmarsh's were intermarried over several generations.That may help to explain the tangle of Roberts, Isabels, Isabellas etc.

Going back further, as mentioned previously, Joseph(1744) had parents Robert Swan and Lidia/Lydia.
A Robert Swan married a Lidia Turpin on 9/7/1741 and I believe them to be Joseph Swans parents.

This appears to be the introduction of the forename Lydia into the tree and it reappears later as Lydia Swan in a granddaughter and in Lydia Gledson. I know that others have a Gledson connection to Swans.

Happy to have comments. Can anyone else add to this?

[..claire..]

Hi

That all seems to be coming together nicely. 

I've just been checking some old Wills (plenty of Swan and Hindmarsh's but none of yours that I can see), but there is a Will of a William Gledson ( wife ~ Isabella ) of Bedlington dated 1814, whose executor is his Brother-in Law, James Gledson a farmer, who lives at COWPEN HIGH HOUSE.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13034-25855-55?cc=2358715&wc=9PQ5-5QD:1078414773

This is the same time that your family are living there, are the Gledson's related to your family ~ I'm very confused    but enjoying the hunt !!

claire

[Anydogsbody]

Hi Claire

Yes, there is I believe a Gledson connection although not in my direct line. Sherekan, who contributes here is a direct Gledson descendant so we are distantly related.

I couldn't find a Robert Swan, son of Joseph and Ann born in 1772. There is a "child of " Joseph Swan, Cowpen in the Horton BTs on 3/7/1772 but I'm not sure what that means. I suspect it might be a non surviving child being baptised quickly but would be interested in your views.

Looking back at the marriage licence I see that the age is recorded as 30 years and upwards so Robert's birth would appear to have been within the decade preceding 1772 which may make life easier. Others are active in this line and the standard version has become that Dorothy Rickerby and ? Gilhespy(can't remember her name offhand) figure as the Swan wives. The discovery of the Horton grave records may force a review of that.