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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #72 on: Monday 17 November 14 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Claire

Robert Swan, 7th May 1767, s/o Joseph and Ann Swan, Horton by Blyth will be the one.

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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #73 on: Wednesday 19 November 14 19:44 GMT (UK) »
Working back from my 2ggrandmother Ann Swan 1803 my ancestry now looks like this using evidence from available records and the evidence of the Swan family graves at St Mary the Virgin, Horton. I have left out for simplicity the evidence details but can provide them if anyone needs them.

Generation1

Ann Swan 1803 = William Young

Generation 2(Ann's parents)

Robert Swan (1767) = Isabel Hindmarsh(1775)

Generation 3 (Robert 1767's parents)

Joseph Swan( 1744) = Ann Hindmarsh

Generation 4 (Joseph's parents)

Robert Swan(1698) = Ly(i)dia Turpin(1711)

That's as far back as I've traced it and I'm pretty happy that the info is solid. The Swans had a long association over several generations with Cowpen High House and there was very little variation in their naming policies so names repeat frequently. It also appears that multiple generations of different branches of the family occupied the house and worked the farm giving a coincidence not just of names but of addresses in records. Unless an extremely methodical approach is taken to working the records back it is very easy to get branches and generations of the family intermingled; Roberts who appear to be sons are actually cousins etc. Just to add to the complication, perhaps there were dynastic reasons for it, the Swans seem to have commonly found wives among the Hindmarsh family. They would appear to have called all the female children Isabel with variants so there are numerous examples of Robert Swans married to Isabel or Isabella.

Other trees include Dorothy Gilhespey and Dorothy Rickerby as Swan wives. That may be true but I can't see any evidence for that in my line.

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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #74 on: Sunday 26 July 15 19:36 BST (UK) »
Planning a visit to the Blyth area some time over the next few weeks. I would like to try and see the remains of Cowpen High House if anyone can help. I know it's on Front St, Bebside but would appreciate if someone could be more precise.

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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #75 on: Sunday 26 July 15 19:53 BST (UK) »
Hi

Answered on the other post  :)

claire
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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #76 on: Friday 17 June 16 16:32 BST (UK) »
Been away for quite a while. 
With ref to http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666493.new;topicseen#new
agreed generations 1 & 2.

generation 3 - Robert Swan 1750 - 1819  m  Dorothy Gilhespy 1752 - 1808

generation 4 - Robert Swan 1720  m  Dorothy Rickerby 1725 - 1803

generation 5 (?) - Robert Swan c1698  m  Anne (?) c1698

generation 6 (?) - Robert Swan c1672  m  Anne (?) c1672

generation 7 (?) - William Swan c1640

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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #77 on: Friday 17 June 16 16:44 BST (UK) »
HI! Just to add to the mix....possibly this is Robert Swann c. 4 Oct 1677 in Woodhorn who died 27 July 1749 in Bedlington; it appears he married Anne Rand on 3 Nov 1709 in Woodhorn. This Anne appears to be chr 27 Oct 1685 in Bothal, NBL. Their age discrepancy COULD imply this was a second marriage for Robert... ??? ??? Any and all comments most welcome. patrexjax
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;
WIDDRINGTON: NBL

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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #78 on: Friday 17 June 16 17:21 BST (UK) »
As per generation 3
have this in my tree

Marriage
1772 • Cramlington, Northumberland, England
as per Richard Cliff (seen marriage record, Woodhorn)
Dorothy Gilhespy (1752–1808)

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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #79 on: Saturday 18 June 16 16:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks Paul

I haven't looked at this for a while so I'll need to see where that fits in.

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Re: Swans of Northumberland
« Reply #80 on: Wednesday 22 June 16 15:10 BST (UK) »
Found this `National Archives.. Delaval Family Papers.- Delaval (Lord Waterford) MSS.ESTATES.SEATON ESTATES.. Leases original bundle of leases Whitridge Farm to Robert Swan for 15years, @ £340 per annum. Held at Northumberland Archives - - REF 2/DE/1/8/6 exp 1806
This would be Robert Swan b 1750 husband of Dorothy Gillespy.
Paul