Swans of Northumberland

[trish1120]

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Birth Reg;
SWAN, MABEL mmn JOHNSON 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in MORPETH  Volume 10B  Page 233

Do you have Robert/Margarets 1856 M/C to establish his Fathers name and occp?

Trish

[phow]

Thank you

And no, I haven't - their first child, Jane, was born in 1853 so presumably they married around 1852/3. I was hoping it was lurking in the depths of the internet somewhere but if it is, I haven't found it.

[trish1120]

It looks like Jane was born before the Marriage.

Possible Birth Reg;
JOHNSON, JANE - no mothers maiden name, so illegitimate      - 
GRO Reference: 1854  J Quarter in MORPETH  Volume 10B  Page 221
(GRO)

FreeBMD
Marriage Reg;
Sept 1856
JOHNSON    Margaret  Newcastle Tyne    10b   172
Robert SWAN on same page

Mabel is not reg until after the Marriage.

You will have to buy the Cert to find more about Margaret/Robert as M/C does not appear to be on line or in anyones Trees.

Having said that I think this is Margarets Baptism on FreeREG;

28 Sep 1834, St Mary the Virgin, Morpeth
MARGARET Johnson, Daug of WILLIAM/MARY
Abode Cottingwood
Father a Woodsman

1841 Census Morpeth;
William Johnson 30 Woodsman
Mary Johnson 30
George Johnson 9
Margaret Johnson 7******
Ann Johnson 5
William Johnson 3

1851 Census
William Johnson   40 Woodman born Morpeth
Mary Johnson   42
George Johnson   18
William Johnson   13
Jane Johnson   9
Barbara Johnson 6***
Robert Johnson   4

GRO
JOHNSON, BARBARA  mothers maiden name MARSHALL** 
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in THE MORPETH UNION  Volume 25  Page 30

Marriage on FreeREG    29 May 1831 Morpeth William Johnson to Mary Marshall


Bapts on FreeREG also for SWAN
Parents ROBERT/MARGARET
Mabel 10 May 1857
Alice Singleton 19 Mar 1865
Thomas Antony    19 Jul 1868
Mary Hannah 1 Oct 1871

Cant see a baptism for John W Swan born c 1860

Trish

[trish1120]

Robert Swan is much harder to place so M/C is needed.

When you have it we can help more

[phow]

That's terrific, thank you!
I had most of that, but specific dates are really helpful. And Jane is in my direct line so it's interesting to know she was illegitimate!

I'd seen the 1856 marriage before but discounted it - partly because of the dates and partly because he seemed to spend his whole life in Morpeth, making shoes, and I couldn't understand why he'd trek to Newcastle to get married. But the date makes sense now!

I think you're right, I'll need the marriage cert to get any further. But as he was Jane's step father, not biological father I might leave that for a bit now and plod on with other relatives.

Thanks again!

[trish1120]

Hard to know if he was Jane's Father or not.
Some had several children before tying the knot.

[phow]

Ah of course!

[trish1120]

When you get the M/C we may be able to help more.

Just add the details to this query

[phow]

I'm back!
I have the marriage cert - it's not helped me very much, but some of you are magicians and I'm hoping you can find something. I have Robert's father's name now. In the 1861 census Robert's mother was Jane, widow of a butcher.

On the marriage Cert his father is John Swan, Hatter.

I've searched everywhere for a John Swan who married a Jane, but I haven't had any luck.
This is what the marriage cert says :
Marriage Cert
GRO Vol 10b, Page 172

Marriage solemnized "at the Register Office" in the district of Newcastle upon Tyne, in the County of Newcastle Upon Tyne

When married : 16th August 1856
Name: Robert Swan
Age: 23
Condition: Bachelor
Profession: Boot Closer
Residence: Northumberland Street, Newcastle
Father: John Swan
Father's profession: Hatter

Name: Margaret Johnson
Age: 23
Condition: Spinster
Residence: Northumberland Street, Newcastle
Father: William Johnson
Father's profession: Joiner

Married in the Register Office, by me, John Routledge Registrar
in the presence of Thomas Oliver, George Foster, X the mark of Frances Smith.