Baldwin family of Tunbridge Wells

[Smokey807]

Im a member of the Tunbridge Wells Family History Society and my inquiry is for the purpose of trying to help a decendent of the family with her questions and from my own research the family appears interesting enough to write a short article about  so I hope someone can answer a few unresolved issues.

From using Ancestry.UK here is the family unit of interest;

(1) Alfred Kennard Baldwin (1839-1915)-head of family
(2) Mary Nicks(1836-1897)- wife of (1) -had the children with A.K.B. listed below
(3) Emma Baldwin,nee Buttler -second wife of (1)-no children with her

No information needed about (1) (2)and (3) but need some help with SOME of the children listed below; Here is a list of all  known children of A.K.B and Mary;

(1) Alfred George Baldwin (1863-1943) no information needed
(2) Charles Baldwin (1862-1935)- no information needed
(3) Annie Baldwin; born 1862-1864 Wathcet,Somerset. Last information is 1881 census Tunbridge Wells where she is age 19,single, living with parents and siblings, a scholar. Nothing found for her after 1881. Looking for marriage/children/death info
(4) William James Baldwin born 1866 Watchet,Somerset. Last entry is 1871 census at Watchet St Deuman,Somerset where he is ,age 5, scholar, living with parents and siblings.Need census/marriage/children/death info after 1871
(5) Elizabeth P Baldwin,born 1868 St Decuman,somerset. Not found in 1871 census .Need census/marriage/children/death after 1871
(6) Herbert Baldwin,born 1870 at Watchet St Deuman,Somerset. Last found in 1881 census,at Tunbridge Wells,Kent with parents and siblings,age 11,scholar.Need census.marriage.children/death info after 1881
(7) Mary Baldwin,born 1872 Willeton.Somerset.Last entry is 1881 census at Tunbridge Wells where she is living with parents/siblings .scholar. Need census/marriage/children/death info after 1881
( Henry James Baldwin-No information needed
(9) Ellen Baldwin, born 1874 Southborough,Kent(Tunbridge Wells). In 1911 census,age 36,single, living with parents and sister Alice. Need marriage/children/death info for Ellen after 1911
(10) Frederick James Baldwin(1876-1946)-No information needed
(11) Alice E. Baldwin,born 1880 Tunbridge Wells.Last record is 1911 census at Tunbridge Wells where she is age 31,single.Need marriage/children.death info after 1911.

Alfred Kennard Baldwin founded in 1876 his printer/stationers business in Tunbridge Wells called the Grosvenor Printing Works and printed books and other publications. He passed the business along to his son Charles (1862-1835) who in turn passed the business to his son Herbert and moved to Sussex. The Tunbridge Wells Civic Society notes that Alfred Kennard Baldwin also got  involved organizing trips which evolved into what is now the Baldwin Travel Agency in Tunbridge Wells. This agency came into the Marks family in 1991. Not sure yet who had it before him but I have sent an email to Ron Marks to find out.The first directory listing for a Baldwin Travel Agent in Tunbridge Wells that I could find was 1958. If anyone has information on the history of the Baldwin Travel Agency in terms of what Baldwin family members were involved in the business please let me know. The family member I am assisting would like more information on the business history of this family and so would I. None of the children of Alfred Kennard Baldwin that I DO NOT NEED INFORMATION for went into the travel business as I have their career information.His son Charles (1862-1935) only seems to be mentioned as a printer/stationer but perhaps he was also a travel agent (nothing found yet to confirm this) that he continued from his father. The Baldwin Travel Agency today has the same address that Balwins printing/stationers business had until 1952 (25-27 Grosevenor Rd).It appears that due to the absence of directories for Baldwins Printers after 1952 that the printer business ended about that time and perhaps at that time evolved into a Travel Agents solely.

With all the detail above I hope with your assistance I can get some clarification of the children's genealogical info and what career they went into and perhaps a little more about the printer/travel agent business the family was involved with.

[rosie99]

No 9

Ellen on deceased online
Ellen Baldwin
burial 19  September 1949
Tunbridge Wells Cemetery
age 75

Probate details are available on Ancestry for her
Ellen Baldwin (Spinster)  of 14 Dorking Road, Tunbridge Wells probate to Herbert William Baldwin printer

[rosie99]

Have you checked deceased online for all of the deaths

Rosie

[avm228]

(3) Annie Baldwin; born 1862-1864 Wathcet,Somerset. Last information is 1881 census Tunbridge Wells where she is age 19,single, living with parents and siblings, a scholar. Nothing found for her after 1881. Looking for marriage/children/death info

Her likely birth reg is Jun qtr 1864 Williton (the registration district covering Watchet).

Most promising marriage from FreeBMD is Mar qtr 1889 Tonbridge to Frank Overy Turner (later censuses show that the other two on the page married each other). Frank, born Dec qtr 1864 Langton Green, Kent, worked as a grocer & draper.

Frank and Annie (27 b Watchet) are in Langton Green, childless, in 1891: RG12/676/54/28.

Then there's the death of Annie Turner aged 31 in Tonbridge (covers Langton Green), Jun qtr 1895. Her intestate estate was administered by her widower Frank Overy Turner; effects were £288 14s. The probate calendar shows that she died at Langton Green on 17 April 1895. (A baby Cyril Turner was born and died in the same district, same quarter - possibly connected or possibly not).

Then Frank Overy Turner remarried to Ellen Mary Holder in Steyning, Dec qtr 1899 and they had five children together.

In 1916 Frank Overy Turner was one of the executors granted probate of the will of Alfred [Kennard] Baldwin.

[rosie99]

No 11
Alice Elizabeth also died 16 January 1951 a spinster address on probate same as Ellens.  Details are on Anc.  I assume from your post that you have access to view this.

[rosie99]

No 7
A Possible death for Mary
Mary Baldwin
March qtr 1951
Age at Death   80
Tonbridge 5b / 1371

It looks like her burial is also on deceased online at  http://www.deceasedonline.com/ at Tunbridge Wells Cemetery

[avm228]

(5) Elizabeth P Baldwin,born 1868 St Decuman,somerset. Not found in 1871 census .Need census/marriage/children/death after 1871

What evidence is there of Elizabeth's existence? As you say, she's not with the family in 1871 (or any other census) and I can't see a birth registration for her in Williton district.

In any event the 1868 date for Elizabeth seems unlikely as the family appears to have registered Charles' birth in Mar qtr 1868. I know you've said you don't need info on him but the 1862 birthdate you have can't be right - he was 3 in 1871, 13 in 1881, 23 in 1901.

[Smokey807]

Thank you for the quick and thorough replies. I has narrowed down the list quite a bit and I can take what you have given and go further with my own research. Just a couple of people left on the list I need some help with.

Just to answer a few of your questions. Yes I have access to deceased online but only so far as getting a burial date and not the age of the person at time of death and so because there are often several people of the same name I cant always determine which record applies to the person I am looking for. But I can now follow up on the ones you have given more details on and check the website again. I usually try to find a probate record with exact date of death and then look on deceased online for a match with a burial date.

For Charles Baldwin who I said was born in 1862. You are quite right he was actually born January 8,1868 in Somerset. Sorry for the typo error.

Regarding Elizabeth P Baldwin my only source for this information is from a family tree on Ancesty who listed her as one of the children of Alfred Kennard Baldwin. Perhaps as you suggest she was not a child of his but I thought that perhaps there was a chance she may have died as an infant before the census was taken. So if as you say there is no birth record for her then am I safe to say she does not exist and the family tree info was incorrect?

[avm228]

FreeBMD and the censuses show no sign of Elizabeth at all so, unless the tree owner can explain who she was, I'd think you should proceed on the basis that there was no such family member.

Incidentally the dates for some of the other children are also inaccurate.

1. Alfred George (1863-1943): actually birth reg is Sep qtr 1862. Poss death Sep qtr 1939 Tonbridge.
4. William James born 1866: actually birth reg is Dec qtr 1865.
6. Herbert born 1870: actually birth reg is Sep qtr 1869.
7. Mary born 1872: actually birth reg is Jun qtr 1871.

all in Williton registration district (FreeBMD).