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Re: anastasia...was she anna anderson
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 October 13 23:59 BST (UK) »
The 3 similar characteristics are an amazing coincidence.

As I understand it Mountbatten was related to the Greek royals .
Why was he so prominent in being set against Anastasia.  I realize they would
Have been related thu Queen Victoria.  But she surely was no threat to him? Sandra

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 October 13 18:41 GMT (UK) »
 Well seemingly  money and other assets had been deposited by the Tsar in The Bank of England including dowry money for Anastasia. That is a simple explanation, its complicated.
 Louis Mountbatten stood to unherit a share  through his mother Victoria(not Queen Vic) who was sister to the Tsarina Alix ( Alexandra) as a collateral  descendant. But not of course if Anna Anderson was Anastasia.
 The  Mountbattens were  descended from Princess Alice, Queen Victoria`s daughter who married Ludwig  IV of Hesse am Rhine. Somewhere along his  line  there is a scandal,  a liason with a groom - can`t remember exact details but the children of this affair were accepted into the  family alongside  the legitimate children and Louis Mountbatten was descended from one of the illegitimate  ones and it really bugged him. He fought hard to get our royal family to change their name to Mountbatten instead of Windsor. He engineered the meeting between Prince Philip and princess Elizabeth. The fact that it seems to be a happy marriage is all to the good.(Cor he was SO nice looking!)
 There are quite a few books on the subject.                                                                            It is a long time since I read them.                                                                                     Anastasia ( Anna Anderson)  was not a very nice person by all accounts, ungrateful to those who helped her, imperious and demanding.
 If only the Dowager Empress had  agreed to meet Anna Anderson.
                                                                  Viktoria.
 Yet the little girl was charming, mischievous, a joker and full of fun.

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 October 13 19:17 GMT (UK) »
That was new to me, Mountbatten's line of descent.   Wow!  Very open minded weren't they.

I understand he wanted power.  Phillip and Charles seem to have cared a lot about him.  I do not get that feeling eminated from the rest  of our royals.  He was certainly a manipulator.

Not popular when he divided India.  Surely he realized separation of  the country the way he did was a recipe for disaster? Or was that the intention?  Sandra


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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 27 October 13 20:03 GMT (UK) »
 I think he was fond of Philip, who was his nephew, and as that family were "disfunctional"  he took him under his wing.Mountbatten had daughters and Philip was like a son to him.
  I`m sure he had some excellent qualities, men who served under him seemed very loyal to him.
 Edwina his wife was unfaithful ,with Pandit Nehru--that must have been galling but he was not  in a position to cast stones! Lots came out later of course.
 What happened to the Russian royal family they did not deserve, especially when you think of how Stalin behaved to his own people. Millions and millions killed and starvation worse  than that for  for the peasants under the Romanovs.
 It is certainly an interesting subject.As I said -- it`s kept me out of mischief for a long time.
 Kind regards. Viktoria.


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« Reply #13 on: Monday 28 October 13 06:44 GMT (UK) »
Have you read in search of the Tsar?  That started me off years ago.

Another book was on the topic that Jesus died in Kashmir.  The authors printed a photo of his grave there. Introduced us to the custodion who had taken the position handed down in his family for generations.  Very convincing.The book also stated that Mary was buried in what is now Pakistan...in the town of Murree . That book was very well written too..
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 28 October 13 17:13 GMT (UK) »
Louis Mountbatten stood to unherit a share  through his mother Victoria(not Queen Vic) who was sister to the Tsarina Alix ( Alexandra) as a collateral  descendant. But not of course if Anna Anderson was Anastasia.
 The  Mountbattens were  descended from Princess Alice, Queen Victoria`s daughter who married Ludwig  IV of Hesse am Rhine. Somewhere along his  line  there is a scandal,  a liason with a groom - can`t remember exact details but the children of this affair were accepted into the  family alongside  the legitimate children and Louis Mountbatten was descended from one of the illegitimate  ones and it really bugged him.

Louis of Battenburg (father to Louis Mountbatten) was the son of a Morganatic marriage.
 His father Alexander of Hesse married Julie Therese Hauke ( A Polish Countess) who was a lady in waiting to the Tsarina Maria. She and her siblings were also  ward's of the Tsar, after they were orphaned.
 Julie was six months pregnant when the couple married. Their children were not allowed to be in the succession because their mother was not of high enough rank. They were titled Serene Highness rather than  Grand Ducal Highness.And used the Battenberg surname rather than Hesse.
Lord Mountbatten, it seems had romantic feelings for the Tsarina Marie, and kept a photograph of her by his bedside. Maybe the reason he was so involved rather than money?

The present Queens children use the surname Mountbatten- Windsor. So that Prince Philip could pass on his family name to his children. Which, I think, is only right and proper.The Royal family took up the name Windsor in 1917, getting rid of Queen Victoria's Germanic surname.Which was not, unsurprisingly, popular.
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« Reply #15 on: Monday 28 October 13 19:53 GMT (UK) »
 Yes , the marriage to  Polish countess was a bar to them being in line but further back there was another scandal. The wife of an earlier Grand Duke had an affair resulting in several illegitimate children . They were however accepted into the family  but barred from  being in direct line.  Such a long time ago since I  read it all and I can`t remember who it was or  the title of the relevant book.
 The name Salersxian or something similar rings a bell. He was chamberlain to the Hesse family.He also was supposed to have fathered children with a grand Duchess and again the children were accepted into the family. I`ll have to look it up.Dates have completely gone.
 They lived complicated lives didn`t  they.
 It may be a huge coincidence that a rather mysterious person named Larissa  Feodorovna Tudor is buried in  Lydd . On the marriage cert she is Larissa Haouk . ( O.K not Hauke)
 She bore a strong resemblance to Tatiana it seems. There were always flowers on the grave each June 10th-- Tatiana`s birthday.
 So many mysteries, so much confusion, so much to hide by the Bolsheviks so much hearsay that we can never know now. There are those who dispute that the 98.5 certainty of the DNA matches are absolute proof.
 I just remember those lovely girls and the little boy. I envied the girls their dresses but when my Mum explained what had happened I went cold and have been fascinated ever since.  Viktoria.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 28 October 13 20:31 GMT (UK) »
had a very good friend ( now dead)  whos husband was batman to lord mountbatten... and the tales she told.  wow   her house was full of pictures with her and her hubbie with the mountbattens and other members of the royal family too
looking fro John and elizabeth REAY. 1796C  Elizabeth from Whitby. (? john died in durham area)
Eldest child Edward baptised in Upleatham yorkshire.
aslo for Elizabeth ??? remarried between 1841 and 1851 to mr Murrey.  she moved from Durham area to Hartlepool

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 29 October 13 00:27 GMT (UK) »
Wonderful anecdotes.  Thank you for sharing.  Sandra.