Hawkins in Kintbury

[snikwahrm]

I can trace my Hawkins family back to George, a brick maker born about 1812 in Kintbury; his brother Thomas who also became a brick maker was born about 1809 Kintbury; their father Thomas was with his son Thomas in the 1841 census, shown as age 70 born Berkshire.  Both George & Thomas junior married girls from Ramsbury Wiltshire.

There are several other Hawkins in census in Fawley, Kintbury Eagle & a William Hawkins was involved in the Kintbury riots & was transported.

Does anyone have access to Kintbury or close parish records for this period please?  George has an interesting life history & I would really appreciate any help in learning more about his origins. 

[ribbo39]

Hi,

I realise your posting is about 2 months old and with no response so far, but have you looked on Family Search (IGI)  for your Thomas Hawkins marriage?

There is a Thomas Hawkins marrying a Sarah Ayers on 12-4-1794 in Ramsbury, Wilts.   Could this be
the parents and are there other children born to them before they turned up in Kintbury?


Alan

[candrjm]

Hi snikwahrm,

 

I can trace my Hawkins family back to George, a brick maker born about 1812 in Kintbury; his brother Thomas who also became a brick maker was born about 1809 Kintbury; their father Thomas was with his son Thomas in the 1841 census, shown as age 70 born Berkshire. 

I believe 1841 census doesn't usually state the relationship between people, how sure are you that Thomas & George's father was Thomas?

Kintbury parish church records have these two baptisms:

24th July 1808 Thomas son of John & Elizabeth Amey Hawkins

26th August 1810 George son of John & Elizabeth Amey Hawkins


There were also other children of this couple in the baptism register but they appear to be the only Hawkins couple having children baptised in Kintbury around this time (1801-1815)


Chris

[snikwahrm]

Thank you Chris for your response.  And I believe the christening records you found are correct!  After posting my query on this site, I set about researching all the children in census & found one of George's daughters, born in France living with her uncle Thomas.  A further study of the 1841 census indicates I was probably incorrect about the Thomas I found with a Thomas I presumed was his father.

After a thorough study in LDS, my notes on George are: Without reference to parish records, it is not possible to determine his parentage.  However, there is a John Hawkins shown in the Kintbury pages of the 1841 Census; he was shown as age 65, born 'in county' as was his wife Elizabeth age 62.  Charles Hawkins age 17, born 'out of county' is with the couple.  A christening is shown in IGI for John Hawkins on 20 October 1776, at Kintbury, Berkshire, parents Thomas & Ann.  There is a marriage recorded in IGI between John Hawkins & Elizabeth Amey Harris in Kintbury on 24 October 1801.

John was the name of George's first son & the names George, Thomas & John continued through several generations.

Thank you so very much for looking up the PR records of the two brothers; I note you say there were other christenings to this couple & would be most grateful for a list of these to aid my research of the family.

Aren't I lucky John & Elizabeth were the only Hawkins couple having children at the time! Ramsbury, Wilts where the brother's wives were born has numerous Hawkins families!

Very many thanks for your interest

Margaret

[snikwahrm]

Hi snikwahrm,

 

I can trace my Hawkins family back to George, a brick maker born about 1812 in Kintbury; his brother Thomas who also became a brick maker was born about 1809 Kintbury; their father Thomas was with his son Thomas in the 1841 census, shown as age 70 born Berkshire. 

I believe 1841 census doesn't usually state the relationship between people, how sure are you that Thomas & George's father was Thomas?

Kintbury parish church records have these two baptisms:

24th July 1808 Thomas son of John & Elizabeth Amey Hawkins

26th August 1810 George son of John & Elizabeth Amey Hawkins


There were also other children of this couple in the baptism register but they appear to be the only Hawkins couple having children baptised in Kintbury around this time (1801-1815)


Chris

Hi,

I realise your posting is about 2 months old and with no response so far, but have you looked on Family Search (IGI)  for your Thomas Hawkins marriage?

There is a Thomas Hawkins marrying a Sarah Ayers on 12-4-1794 in Ramsbury, Wilts.   Could this be
the parents and are there other children born to them before they turned up in Kintbury?


Alan

Thank you for your reply Alan.  I have since discovered I was probably in error identifying the brother's father as Thomas.  Family Search is immensely helpful in the absence of access to PR & once I discounted my 'evidence' about Thomas, did lead me in the right direction as Chris has proved.

Thank you for your interest

Margaret

[candrjm]

Hi Margaret,


Kintbury baptisms for the Hawkins children were as follows:

16/1/1803 Naomi d of John & Elizabeth Amy Hawkins

17/11/1805 Amey d of John & Elizabeth Amey Hawkins

24/7/1808 Thomas s of John & Elizabeth Amey Hawkins

26/8/1810 George s of John & Elizabeth Amey Hawkins

2/1/1814 Mary Ann d of John & Elizabeth Hawkins


The 1851 census records Elizabeth Hawkins, aged 72, born in Newbury, Pauper, living in Kintbury,  she has her son William, aged 32, born in Ramsbury Wiltshire, occ: Basket Maker (he was recorded as being blind) and also her grandson Thomas aged 6 born in Kintbury living with her.

There were no other Hawkins children baptised in Kintbury between 1814 and 1830 but there is a baptism in Ramsbury for William on 8th March 1819 parents John & Elizabeth Hawkins which fits the William in the 1851 census, so if this is the same family it looks like John, Elizabeth and their family moved to Ramsbury between 1814 -1819 then moved back to Kintbury before 1841.

Not sure if you have these but there are these burials in Kintbury which might be your ancestors:

28/1/1847 John Hawkins aged 79

12/1/1866 Elizabeth Hawkins aged 85

Chris

[snikwahrm]

Thank you Chris for the list of baptisms, which gives me something to work on.  The census & burial info is also immensely helpful.

Both the brothers married into Pike family/families in Ramsbury in the early 1830s; George's first two children were born in Wiltshire but the third born in 1835 was born in Kintbury  which could add to the supposition the family lived both in Ramsbury & Kintbury.

He later lived in Barnet in Herts, Camberwell, Peckham, near Rouen in Normandy, near Andover Hampshire & finally Lewisham in Kent - no doubt moving from one brickworks to another, wherever building development led to a demand for bricks!

One last request if possible please.  Do your Kintbury PR go back as far as the 1700s?  IGI gave me William Hawkins baptism 20 October 1776, (parents Thomas & Ann) & the  marriage of William Hawkins & Elizabeth Amey Harris on 24 October 1801.  If you have these records, I would be grateful if you would please check my IGI info & also the marriage of Thomas Hawkins & Ann sometime presumably prior to 1776.  And maybe Thomas baptism?

Thank you once again for your invaluable assistance.

Margaret

[candrjm]

Hi Margaret,

Newbury library have the following type written transcriptions for the parish of Kintbury:

Baptisms: 1558-1842

Marriages: 1558-1840

Marriage Banns: 1754-1802

Burials: 1558-1840

of course these transcriptions may/do not give as much detail as the original parish registers which are held at the Berkshire Records Office.

I have checked CM&B from 1718-1761, Baptisms for 1761-1842 and Marrages for 1754-1840 for any mention of Hawkins in these registers.

Here is what I have found; (not including the information already given)

Baptisms:

10th October 1774 William son of Thomas & Ann Hawkins

20th October 1776 John son of Thomas & Ann Hawkins

1st August 1779 Mary daughter of Thomas & Ann Hawkins



7th June 1835 Matilda daughter of George & Harriett Hawkins


Marriages:

28th August 1738 Ed Fidler (of Inkpen) and Elizab Hawkins (otp)

24th April 1758 John Chamberlain and Martha Hawkins

25th July 1783 Richard Shrimpton and Ann Hawkins

24th October 1801 John Hawkins and Elizabeth Amey Harris (both otp)

25th June 1805 John Piper(b) and Mary Hawkins (s) (both otp)

16th March 1817 David Hawkins (b) and Sarah Siney (s)


Burials: (John and Elizabeth Hawkins already given)

25th June 1705 Thomas Hawkins

7th April 1731 Eleanor w/o William Hawkins, aged 68 died 5th April 1731

30th December 1738 William Hawkins aged 93

25th August 1757 Francis Hawkins

3rd September 1762 Francis Hawkins

15th May 1762 Elizabeth Hawkins

14th April 1780 Thomas Hawkins

4th January 1829 Sarah Hawkins aged 74

24th December 1853 Olive Hawkins aged 9 months

4th March 1868 Henry William Hawkins aged 2 months

16th April 1883 Amy Hawkins aged 1 day


As you can see I didn't find a baptism or marriage  for Thomas Hawkins in Kintbury but I am wondering if theThomas Hawkins burial in 1780 above, was your ancestor.

There was no record of a burial for Ann Hawkins but there was the marriage in 1783 for an Ann Hawkins to a Richard Shrimpton and although it didn't state whether Richard and Ann were widow/widowers, there was a marriage for a Richard Shrimpton to a Hannah Stratten on the 18th August 1771 and a burial for a Hannah Shrimpton on the 21st November 1782. 

and these baptisms:

6th June 1784 George son of Elizabeth and Ann Shrimpton ****

17th June 1787 Thomas son of Richard and Ann Shrimpton

20th June 1791 Charles son of Richard and Ann Shrimpton

**** next to this entry was written by hand sic (Richard and Ann??)

I might be wrong but I can't help wondering if your ancestor Ann Hawkins remarried and had 3 more children.

Just in case I'm right here are the burials for Richard and Ann:

2nd July 1795 Richard Shrimpton

3rd November 1805 Ann Shrimpton

Chris

[snikwahrm]

Hello Chris

Thank you for the information where to find the Kintbury Church records, it's good to know where they are, although it is doubtful I could get there myself!

I am very grateful too for the list of relevant records you have extracted for me - more for me to investigate.  I was really getting my teeth into investigating census etc. on the info you gave me last time when another researcher enlisted my help with her tree, so have yet to complete analysing the Hawkins clan results!   Not that I am complaining: whilst original contact was on the margins of my research, it is good to aid another as many, including you, have assisted me.  It restores one's faith in human nature when people give so much of their time to help others.

I am now in the position of knowing far more about the Hawkins Kintbury family, after many years of fruitless searching.

Very many thanks

Margaret