Are they one and the same person?

[Phodgetts]

I posted this the other day
 but without replies, I guess I sent it to the wrong place.

Can some you help me please?

I am trying to establish whether Jane White is my 3 x gt grandmother Jane Johnson nee Sanderson.

You'll see when you read my post anyway. I hope I have explained myself properly.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1974.msg5105696#msg5105696

Thank you

Philip

[afossil]

Do the marriage details hold clues?  Is she shown as a widow?  Have you traced the baptisms of all her children?    Sometimes a diligent vicar gives extra information.   Her maiden name will be on the birth certificates too.   That seems the clearest way even if it does cost you a little money.   You would know once and for all.

[Mike in Cumbria]

I would start by ordering that marriage certificate. It will say whether she was a spinster or a widow.
Mike

[Phodgetts]

Adam and Jane had an Irregular Border Marriage 30 May 1851 at Lamberton Toll. My cousin found the details in the Berwick Advertiser, sadly there is no certificate.

I will order the birth certificate for their son (my 2 x gt grandfather) Richard John Johnson born 1852, the thing is, will she have recorded Sanderson as her maiden name or should she have recorded her name as White?

Thank you both for your comments. 

Philip

[heywood]

Hello,

it should have both names but the information is only what she provided.
Do you have either Adam or Jane in 1851 - or Jane in 1841?

heywood

[Phodgetts]

Hello Heywood, they married not long after the 1851 census was taken. I have Adam on the 1851 and I believe I have him on the 1841 but I have not got Jane on the 1851 or 1841, certainly not with any confidence in what I currently have. I have just ordered their son Richard John Johnson's birth certificate.

I listed all the censuses I have in that link.

The 1851 for Adam; HO107; Piece: 2420; Folio: 244; Page: 23

The 1841 for Adam (I think?); HO107; Piece: 819; Folio: 10; Page: 15

I trawled through the Easington Grange pages to see if she was there. I cannot imagine that she was living very far away from him before they got married, so where she was at that time I do not know yet. I'm very curious as to why they went for an Irregular Marriage when other family members did their deeds etc. at Belford and surrounding towns in the normal way. It seems not to have been caused by an illegitimate child unless of course it was either still born or died at birth. Their first child was Richard born in 1852 some 13 months after they wed. It is certainly working the little grey cells.

Philip

[heywood]

Should I be looking for her as White or Sanderson?

Are you saying that she married as Sanderson but you think she may be White originally - sorry I don't quite understand it. If she married as Sanderson, how do you know she was formerly Jane White?

[Phodgetts]

I am trying to establish whether she was born a White, married a Sanderson and then married a Johnson.

Jane on the 1861 recorded her place of birth as Sandybank / Sandy Bank in Northumberland. She was 40 years old in 1861 on that census giving a birth year of either late 1820 or early 1821. I have only just discovered in the last 48 hours that Sandybank was just west of Felkington. Whilst researching that I came across the Jane White of Sandybank in the surname interests and given that both Janes were born at Sandybank at pretty much the same time, I got to wondering if they were one and the same. Sandybank no longer exists but from what I can tell on the old maps, it was just one house, hence my questioning the possibility of the two Janes born at the same time being the same person since it is the same location.

Jane White of Sandybank was born 8 November 1820, and my Jane 'Sanderson' of Sandybank has according to calculation by the census, a birth of roughly Q1 of 1821, just weeks after Jane White.

I hope I am making myself better understood.

I have not found anything on IGI that helps clarify this, I haven't found baptisms either. Perhaps I am just barking up completely the wrong tree. In the meantime I have ordered her first born son's birth certificate to see if that will open other research opportunities.

Philip

[heywood]

Thank you for the explanation. I read your other post but the ones on the same thread.