William Campbell/Ann McFall 1884 Clintyfinnan

[redquirrel]

Hi, i am just starting out investigating family of mine in Antrim and i would very much appreciate some help to get going.
The only record i have is a marriage certificate between William Campbell and Ann McFall 14 March 1884. They were both registered as living in Clintyfinnan, Parish of Loughguile. William's father is also William, and Ann McFall's father is recorded as Robert John McFall.

William and Ann later moved to Haggs, Stirlingshire. They are on the 1911 census there along with adopted daughter Ann Kelly.

If anyone can help with providing more information or advice, i would really appreciate it. I hope to visit PRONI at some point next year.

[aghadowey]

More information please 

When would William and Ann have been born? even rough estimates from census records will help.

McFall is a very common North Antrim surname so it might be difficult to find the correct details (Campbell is also not uncommon here).

What were the names of the witnesses in 1884? often relatives of bride and groom.

Also, father's occupations?

[redquirrel]

Hi, sorry, i really don't have a lot to go on. All i can add is that both fathers were classed as labourers on the marriage cert. William  Campbell was 25 when he married, and Ann McFall was 21. I don't yet know when they moved to Scotland, although they don't seem to appear on the 1901 census, but they are there on the 1911 census. At that time they are employed, William as a fireclay labourer, and Ann as a Brickworker. I also don't know how they came to adopt Ann Kelly.
On the marriage cert there are no witnesses recorded- it's a very basic document :-(
many thanks
w

[aghadowey]

Sounds as though you don't have the full marriage certificate?

Could this be William & Ann in Scotland earlier than 1911?

1891- 6 West Bank, New Monkland, Lanarkshire
William Campbell, 30, Ireland, brick labouer
wife Ann Campbell, 27, Ireland
daughter Margaret Ann Campbell, 3, Ireland

1901- Hurlls Square Glenboy?, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
William Campbell, 40, Ireland, general labourer
wife Annie Campbell, 37, Ireland
daughter Margaret Ann Campbell, 13, Ireland
visitor Elizabeth Kelly, 5, Glasgow, scholar
boarder Hugh Ferguson, 50, Ireland

[redquirrel]

Hi aghadowey, thanks so much. I think you are right- this certainly seems to be them!By finding out this much, does it lead us to other information in Antrim?

[Elwyn Soutter]

Given that you say the couple came from Co. Antrim, the most probable birth for Margaret Ann Campbell was registered in Ballymoney Jan – Mar 1888 Vol 1, page 145. You might want to order that to see whether it’s the right one and where the family were living at that time.

[aghadowey]

Not yet but think we are getting there. Note that daughter Margaret Ann was born in Ireland c1888- is she with the parents in 1911? if not could she have married in Scotland? Her details might lead to Irish information.

I did find a possible birth registration-
Margaret Ann Campbell 1888 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBZ2-8M2

How old was Ann Kelly in 1911? and where was she born? am wondering about this Elizabeth Kelly with them in 1901.

Does 1911 census say how many children Ann had/how many living?

[redquirrel]

Thanks for your efforts. According to the 1911 census William (50yrs) and Ann (47yrs) are living in Haggs/Bonnybridge with Elizabeth Kelly aged 15 who is working as an envelope maker in an Explosives Works. She is referred to as adopted, and her place of birth is recorded as Lanark, followed by what could be ?Partic. There's writing over the top of it unfortunately.  The couple have 2 young children living with them, William (4yrs) and Margaret Ann (1yr), who i have found are the illegitimate children of their daughter Margaret Ann. She married Henry Thomson in January 1911, and she is living with him by the time of the census, leaving her illegitimate children with her parents.
The census also states Ann had 2 children, 1 living- this is Margaret Ann.
Just to clarify, i was getting names mixed up- when i originally posted Ann Kelly, it was in fact Elizabeth.

[aghadowey]

'Partic' likely to be Partick (a part of Glasgow on the north bank of the Clyde)- fits with 1901 birthplace of Elizabeth being 'Glasgow.'

Does Margaret Ann's marriage certificate give date and place of birth? (wondering if it ties in with birth registration that Elwyn and I both found).