Ardglass

[kvnptrck11]

Has anyone heard of or is anyone otherwise familiar with an area called Burnside in Ardglass?

I have a couple kids of John Halpin, most often his youngest son Timothy Brendan Halpin listing his last permanent address, in Ardglass, as well as his father's address as "Burnside, Ardglass, Co. Down" a few times, and even "Burn Side" once. I looked at the 1901 and 1911 Census to see if there was such a place and there was not, so I am guessing this may be more of a local place name. Anyone with further information please let me know!

Sincerely,
Kevin

[gaffy]

Couldn't find your Ardglass 'Burnside" but just an observation - from my experience in Northern Ireland, the 'burn side' was almost a generic term for a small / local area beside a stream (from the Ulster Scots) and I imagine most never acquired the status of an actual placename eg. on a map. So you may have to rely on somebody from the immediate Ardglass area. 

An alternative possibility is that it may have been a housename (albeit possibly from the same derivation).

[kvnptrck11]

Hey, thank you for your reply.

This is actually useful information because I was thinking along somewhat similar lines. I did not know about the small areas near a stream being called burnside, but I did read somewhere that a "burn" was a term used to refer to a stream.

To further clarify, and perhaps may or may not hint at the name of a specific house, when my ancestor's "Burnside" address was listed on immigration records, both to and from the UK, the Burnside part was in quotes, while the rest of the address was not. In other words, the address was listed as
" ' Burnside ' , Ardglass, Co. Down, Ire.".

Before living in Ardglass, a couple sons of John Halpin would list the actual address when traveling as "27 Rushfield Ave., Belfast".

My thoughts were this:
If more than one child of John Halpin would list his address as "27 Rushfield Ave., Belfast" while he resided there, and then later on, more than one child of his would list his address as
" 'Burnside', Ardglass, Co. Down" , then I was thinking this could be a local name or house name near some stream in Ardglass.

Based on your input, it seems like you may be thinking along similar lines. I'll have to look into this further.


Also, I did see that there was a Burnside road off of an Ardglass road, and it did appear to be in Co. Down, but it did not look like it was in Ardglass.

[gaffy]

To expand on my previous post, my parents and their known ancestors were largely from the same area in County Down, when they married in the early 1950s they moved to County Antrim where they brought up their family (including me).

In our new County Antrim 'home', we always knew of 'the Burnside' as an area a mile or so from our house which was just boggy / reedy land beside an almost non existent river.

Likewise, from my parents former County Down background and from visits to Grandparents and Uncles / Aunts etc. in County Down, we always knew of a place there called 'Burnside', again a very localised area, being some land and a few houses close to a small river.

Neither of these locations I would imagine ever made a map!       

In looking for any official reference to a County Down 'Burnside', the only reference I could see was a place in the townland of Creevycarnonan in the civil parish of Kilmore, however this is well north west of Ardglass (say, 10 miles).


If the Burnside / Burn Side in the records you've seen was in quotes, then my inclination is that you're correct in assuming a housename.

But let's hope someone from Ardglass comes back to you.

[kvnptrck11]

Thanks again, great firsthand knowledge even if it's not the exact same place.

One more potential detail that might help:
While my ancestor John Halpin was living at this "Burnside" residence in Ardglass, he also had a daughter that was married to James Sharvin, who was the proprietor of Sharvin Hotel in Ardglass. I think this is called the Cuan nowadays, so if there's any streams or burnside area near there that anyone knows of, I think that would be the spot I'm looking for.
Thanks again,
- Kevin

[aghadowey]

The Valuation Revision Books on PRONI's site might help to idenditfy the location of a property-
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/val12b.htm

[kvnptrck11]

Thank you again,

I went through some of the Ardglass valuation books and I did find a John Halpin living in Ardglass, on a street called Hill Street. I found the name in two books, and the name was crossed out which looked like it meant he was renting it one year and then the next name was renting there at a later year. Ironically, the original leasor or whatever of the property was named Charles Burns. Burnside and Burns?! Who knows I guess!