John Lloyd 1864 born in NK,Radnorshire Wales

[Griffl]

Hello,
I wonder if anybody could help me find any more information on John Lloyd who's was born in Radnorshire, it says NK for the specific place-so I assume this means Not Known?
He was a agricultural labourer , and from family stories he was said to be very poor(From an old photograph-John and his family look like gypsies!  )

He married an Elizabeth Davies from Leintwardine near Ludlow in Hereford in 1890
This is the earliest record of him I have
So sometime before or just before 1890 he moved to Herefordshire near Ludlow to work

I am certain that I have the right man as I have a marriage certificate for one of his children and all the Names and dates of birth match up perfectly.

So my question is could someone help me find him before he moved to Hereford?
Thanks in advance!

[gc1]

Long Shot 1881 UK Census

PUGH, John    Head    Married   M    68    1813    Farmer 30 Acres
   Cwmdauddwr, Radnorshire, Wales       
PUGH, Elizabeth    Wife    Married   F    69    1812    Farmer Wife
   Rhayader, Radnorshire, Wales    VIEW    
MIDDLETON, Mary    Servant    Single   F    17    1864    Servant (Dom)
   Saint Harmon, Radnorshire, Wales       
LLOYD, John    Servant    Single   M    17    1864    Servant (Indoor)
   Saint Harmon, Radnorshire, Wales

[jacquelineve]

 His marriage cert. will give fathers name and occupation.

If you know the name of  church  where they wed, parish register will give same info.

Jackie

[Griffl]

Thanks Ill look into that to see,
the problem is ,I cant seem to find their marrage online
I can just find it on the 1911 census
another odd thing is that
on one census he says he was born in Radnorshire
another Montgomeryshire
and then on another Shropshire?

on the 1911 census they were living in a village called Brampton Bryan
which is in Herefordshire
but it is listed as being in Wales!
I guess its because its about a mile over the border from Wales
Anymore guesses or help would be useful 

[Deirdre784]

There are 2 John Lloyd baptisms in Radnorshire in 1864:

One was in St Harmon, possibly the one from the 1881 census, on 29 Nov, parents Edward and Margaret. Edward was a labourer, from Llydiadcarne? 3 other children baptised at the same time.

The other was at Bryngwyn on 15 May, parents Rees and Elizabeth. Rees a labourer. Abode looks like Apostles Inn. 

[Deirdre784]

the problem is ,I cant seem to find their marrage online

There was a John Lloyd marriage in Ludlow, Jun quarter 1889, to either Elizabeth Davies or Mary Thomas. Vol 6a, Page 1063 

[Griffl]

Thanks!
I have ordered the certificate ,
I will keep you updated :)

[mazi]

one for when the cert. arrives.     from familysearch 1871 census

john Lloyd son born 1862 Pilleth Radnorshire    residence Brampton Bryan in 1871

others in family
father Edward
mother jane

siblings  William, Mary, Edward, Thomas, Charles

age is out but location good

[Deirdre784]

To match that 1871 census, there's a John Lloyd baptism in Pilleth on 29 Sep 1861, to Edward and Jane, Edward a labourer, abode The Graig.