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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 13 October 13 23:12 BST (UK) »
Louisa Maud,
You are a good sport...its a mind bender to be sure.
I am not in Britain so can't visit the Suffolk records office. 

I didn't want to throw Harriet Mills in yet as it adds further head banging.  It shows the families are intertwined between Hoxne, Suffolk and London, however.

She says she's born in Hoxne in 1835 on the 1911 married to Frederick Huggins.

Was she Emily's sister?

Priscilla H. (Helen) Huggins married William H Putz.  She says she was born Suffolk on 1881, 1891,
 and 1901.  She'd gone from Suffolk to Marylebone. 

  Agree she could be the Priscilla Huggins on the 1861, age 6.  At home.
  Agree could be a servant in 1871, but not sure why she'd say Polegate.  Its nearby and they sometimes say various things to the census taker.  Don't put too much store by it.
  Then married 1875 Christ Church Marylebone to W. Putz.

Sometime in here Emily Mills also goes to London and marries Samuel Putz. 
Emily and Samuel name their own daughter, Priscilla born 1854.

Apologize in advance for any errors in this info.  I try to verify it but I'm working from a long way away so not familiar with all the areas.  Became aware of the complications of the lines.  It might take awhile to sort out.  Perhaps someone has it down and will chime in.  If not, I shall muddle.  Clearly, there are connections here.  No hurries! Wendy260.

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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #28 on: Monday 14 October 13 08:26 BST (UK) »
I don't know if you have the census online at all, but I have found 2 Emily Mills in Suffolk, I have no idea if they fit in

1) Emily Mills aged 9 appears to be in a school in Double Street Framlingham
REF 1841 H0/107 Piece 1028 Book 9 Dist 3 Folio 47 page 7

2) Mary Mills 35
Eliza 13
Emily 10
William 10
Stoneham. H0107 Oiece 1019 Book 9 Dist 12 Folio 20 page 6

I feel a marriage certificate or two would help, at least it will show the father

LM
PS Some of Westminster church records are not online, so unless you purchase a cert or some kind soul comes up with another suggestion I don't think there is anyway to find more info about Emily, neither of these 2 Emily's show a father
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #29 on: Monday 14 October 13 08:37 BST (UK) »
Another spanner in the works

Ipswich St Helen's B T'S
Emily Mills 1831 Father George mother Priscilla

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 03:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks Louisa Maud.  Yes, I believe Emily Mills was born 1831.  Father George and mother Priscilla Huggins.  This fits Emily's naming of her first daughter called Priscilla.  Emily is the 9 year old in Framlingham on the 1841.  She is 19 on the 1851 a servant in St. Marylebone.  She marries Samuel Putz in 1852.  She is widowed 1877 and remarries Jobson.  Dies Stepney in 1931 at nearly 100. 
My understanding is farming was tough in Suffolk at that time.  Much migration to Canada and other places from 1800 - 1850's.  Poor law rates had gone up in Suffolk.  Corn prices were bad.  Unemployment heavy.  Wendy260



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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 07:24 BST (UK) »
I can't find her parents so far on 1841, I am sure her marriege cert would prove whether her father was deceased by her marriage date, so I feel I am stuck now, wonder why she was in a school on 1841, perhaps the poor child was an orphan

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 09:08 BST (UK) »
I don't know if this is connected in any way but I found this
Priscilla Mills
aged 24
buried 24/12/1852
Bideston St Mary

Wonder where she fits in ?

LM

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 09:39 BST (UK) »
Try this, it will make intersting reading
nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res/3?_q=putz

LM
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 15 October 13 17:22 BST (UK) »
Marriage between Samuel Putz and Emily Mills
05/09/1852
St John The Evangelist Smith Square

Samuel Putz aged 32 batch Confectioner of 5 Greycoat Place, father Herbert Pulz, Baker
to
Emily Mills aged 20 spinster same address as above father George Mills Plaster (looks like), not shown as "dec" so can we assume he was still alive ?

Both signed the marriage lines

Louisa Maud
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Putz Hackney
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 24 October 13 03:44 BST (UK) »
1901
living what looks like Findhan St Bromley Poplar
Emily Putz 68 Widow
Thomas 33
Edgar 28, born Westminster, shown as single.

Is it just a coincidence that the name Edgar is used here and not Albert?, he is a Steward on Shipping

Isn't it also strange that there is an Annie Putz shown as single at a separate address, I might be totally wrong but I feel this couple might well have separated and these are they living apart

The only Edgar born is 1888 and he is Edgar David, not 1873 as this census shows, a bit short of the dates we believe Albert edgar was born in 1875

No sign of the child who should be about 6

Louisa Maud

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London