Putz Hackney

[JaneyCanuck]

The thing about the birth certificate is that it will give the mother's full name -- including surname. And it's entirely separate from the baptismal record, so any error when the baptism was performed wasn't likely to have been made when the birth was registered. Unless Ellen routinely called herself Alice.

Curious about her in 1881, but she could have been off somewhere with family or friends of family and got mistranscribed ...

[Wendy260]

Janey,
Ok, guess the certif will help anwer this query.  There is a Florence Putt born abt 1879 London on the 1891 census with a mother Alice Putt.  Could not find a 1881 match.  Perhaps you can see what you think of that?  Strange she is not showing on two census with Ellen.  She was 6 years old for the 1881 and 16 for the 1891. 

Emily Putz lived on Albert St, Lambeth, for 1871 with the kids.  Three of the kids baptized with address 2 Albert cottages, Church St. in 1873.  Address for Florence at birth was 1 Ashmole Cottage, Kennington.  A map from that time shows Church St and Ashmole are on same block.  I'm not familiar with Lambeth/Kennington and it was a bit of a warren, but this is what the old map showed.  Which means, I think, they were all living within steps of each other.  Makes it look closer that Alice and Ellen are one in the same.  Either way, it looks like Florence made it as she married in 1895.  Thanks, Wendy 260.

[louisa maud]

07/11/1875 Christ Church St Marylebone
William Herbert Putz full age of North St father Sameul Putz confectioner
to
Pricilla Helen Huggins full age of North St father Frederick Huggins
witnesses Josiah and Emma Cantle

07/11/1901 St Paul Clerkenwell
Charles Samuel Putz 24 of 24 Taplow St father Samuel Billiard maker
to
Alice Amelia Pierce 25 father William Pierce Milkman
witnesses Ganette Florence Page and William ??

02/02/1908 St John Baptist Hoxton
Albert Frederick Putz aged 21 of 117 East Road father Samuel Charles Putz Clerk
to
Maud Elizabeth Delaney aged 20 of 17 Aske St father Alfred Delaney French polisher

11/03/1913 St John Baptist Hoxton
Richard Gray 25 24 Myrtle St father William Gray Brass finisher
to
Violet Magdalene Putz 22 fatehr Samuel Charles Putz Clerk
witnesses Albert Frederick Putz and Hannah Fish

19/11/1921 St Anne Hoxton
Arthur James Finch 20 of 19 hHemsworth St father James Finch furniture dealer
to
Alice Maud Putz aged 20 same address father Charles Samuel Putz lab
witnesses Charles S Putz and John James Broad

02/02/1909 St Anne Hoxton
Daniel Charles Hurley 26 50 Essex St father Jeremiah Taylor
to
Ellen Alice Louise Denney 29 widow  father Samuel Charles Putz
witnesses Sarah Ann and Emily Bates

07/12/1912 , sorry missed church
Richard Putz aged 20 77 Perost st ?? father Samuel Charles Putz
to
Ada Elizabeth Hills father William John boot maker
witnesses Albert and Maud Putz

01/04/1906 St Pter Shoreditch
John Putz 22  17 Boot St father Samuel Charles Putz Mercantile clerk
to
Emily Challis 20 16 Boot Street father William Charles lab
witnesses Daniel Hurley and Violet Magdalene Putz

22/01/1905 Christ  Church Albany Street
Henry James Putz 43 widower  of 63 Watling Street father Samuel Putz Confectioner
to
Mary Ada Akehurst ? 34 widow of 50 Augustus St father Nicholas Drew lab
witnesses William Frederick Smith and George Belsham


Have already given you Emily to John Sargent

I am sure you could draw up anice family tree from these marriages which should fit in with info you already have here

It might be helpful to plot them to see where they all fit in

Happy hunting

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

1896 St Stephens Spitalfields
John Denney 22 of 10 Blossom St father John Denney dec boot maker
to
Ellen Alice Louise Putz aged 20 Fleur De Lis Street father Samuel Charles Putz Clerk
Witnesses
Charles Putz and Ellen Mary Louise Putz

her age on this marriage is shown as  20, D OF B = 1876, on her second marriage to Daniel Hurley 1909 she is shown as 29 D of B = 1880, perhaps because Daniel is only 26 she might have taken a few years off
LM

[Wendy260]

Thank you so much Louisa Maud.  Yes you are right lots to work with here.  I appreciate it.  Will ping back any interesting finds.  Wendy260

[louisa maud]

On 1841 James Huggins is at home with a family as follows in Hoxne
James Huggins aged 35 Mason by trade shown not born in county
Maria 40 not born in county
Harriet 13
Marina 11
FREDERICK 9
Charles 7
Maria 5
Edward 1
all siblings born Hoxne

1851
James Huggins aged 46 born Hoxne
Maria 50 born Wilby, builder by trade
Miriam 21
FREDERICK 19
Charles 17
Mary Ann 15
all siblings born Hoxne

1861 Hoxne
James aged 56 builder
Maria 60

No trace 1871

I assume FREDERICK above in 2 census is the father of Priscilla ?

James Huggins possibly married 1839 Norwich to either Maria Howes or Maria Parfitt, unfortunately both Maria's as cross reference

Where do you think the cousinship comes in

Louisa Maud

[Wendy260]

Hi Louisa Maud,
Thank you for Huggins assistance. 

Samuel and Emily had William Herbert Putz.  He married Priscilla Huggins on Nov 7, 1875 in Westminster.  Her father was Frederick Putz (the one you called out in bold).  Frederick's father was James Huggins and mother was Maria. 

Priscilla Helen Huggins was born 1854 in Hoxne.  It was a small place.

Samuel married Emily Mills, mother Priscilla Huggins born Hoxne.  Married George Mills Hoxne in 1830.  I believe she died in 1832 in Suffolk.  I do not have her parent's names.  Emily and Samuel probably named their own daughter Priscilla Putz after her mother. 

Its seems there was a bit of a migration from Hoxne to London and the families were related.  Confirming the parents of Priscilla (mother of Emily) would further establish the cousin link. 

With so many Priscilla's involved two heads are better than one in checking the facts.  Thanks again Wendy 260.

[louisa maud]

I must be totally confused

1861 shows Priscilla at home with parents Frederick  and Harriet Huggins Priscilla aged 6 born Hoxne

I then found a marriage for Frederick Huggins to Harriet Mills Dec 1852

I then went looking for Harriet on 1841,  found the following Harriet Mills
1) Chedgrave. Samuel and wife Martha Huggins, Harriet aged 8, (looks as if Harriet was baptised 05/03/1822)

2) Wretton. William and wife Mary Ann, Harriet aged 7

3) St Mary the Virgin Pulham. John and wife Mary , Harriet aged 9

I have no idea where these places are in Norfolk or even if they are near to Hoxne

I don't know where you hail from but it is a pity you can't get to the records office in Norwich, you would no doubt have a field day looking at registers in Hoxne

Louisa Maud

Sorry, Hoxne is showing as being in Suffolk

[louisa maud]

Priscilla is listed under Higgins on 1871 living as a servant aged 17, states born Polegate Suffolk

No further forward with finding parents of Harriet married to Frederick in 1852, the alternative would be to get the marriage and then go from there

LM