Putz Hackney

[Wendy260]

Albert Frederick Putz born in Poplar 1887 was a Hackney clockmaker.  Father and grandfather called Samuel Putz.    Any info on the family greatly appreciated. 

[karenlee]

Hi Wendy

Welcome to Rootschat.

Do you already have Census information for these men? Or BDM information?

If you could please be a little more specific with what you need then we won't be sending you information that you already have..


Cheers
Karenlee

[louisa maud]

As Kerenlee asks we do need a little more info on what you already have, but I will tell you his parents were

Samuel Charles Putz and Ellen Mary L Reed married 1875 Kensington
on census she appears to go under the christian name of Louise

Louisa Maud

[ciderdrinker]

Grandfather Samuel Putz arrived from Rotterdam Holland to Port of London 6.5.1847 confectioner.He left again after 6 months.
Married Emily Mills Sep 1852 Westminster St Margaret 1a 451
He died at Lambeth 15.8.1877 aged 59 confectioner 6.30 am
The census says he was born in Amsterdam
1861 Grey coat Place Westminster
Samuel 42 confectioner Amsterdam
Emily 29 Ipswich
Samuel C 9 Middlesex
Priscilla L 7
William H 4
Arthur G 10mth
Possible baptism on Familysearch 19.7.1819 to Herbert Putz and Geertruij Entrop.
If you get the marriage cert for Samuel it should confirm the name of his father.
Ciderdrinker

[Wendy260]

Hello,
Forgive me, I am new to Rootschat.  Its my first enquiry. 

My immediate questions concern Samuel Putz, the confectioner.  I have census and BMD for his son Samuel C. Putz and grandson Albert F. Putz. 

The Standard story called Suicide at Lambeth Workhouse says Samuel died 1877.  His wife, Emily, stated she tried to support him for 2 years.  As early as 1858 Samuel "Porter" of 8 Greycoat listed his business for sale in Lloyd's Weekly.  In 1859 Lloyd's weekly again reports his business was being sold off.  Apparently, it did not sell, he was still at Greycoat Place in 1864.  The London Gazette reported a bankruptcy that year.  On the 1871 census he was not living with Emily and the children. 

My questions are does anyone know the business history on Samuel? His business problems seem to precede his illness.  Does anyone know when his illness started and where he was living in 1871?  Apparently, he was very ill "softening of the brain."  He died of a stroke and brochitis.  Do you think he was in the Lambeth infirmary or the workhouse?  The article says "Lambeth Workhouse," yet it sounded like he ought to be in an infirmary.  I may not understand the layout and use of those buildings.  Did Emily remarry...she apparently lived a long time after his death.

  Thanks in advance. 

[JaneyCanuck]

It's a tragic story; it is not easy to actually understand how hard and horrible life in a workhouse was. I know of more than one ancestor of mine at the grx2 grandparent level who lived their final years in one, one of them apparently for two decades.

This is general historical information about the workhouse in Lambeth, if I have the right one:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Lambeth/

It had blocks for the aged and infirm and this may be where he was accommodated -- you can read the 1874 article about the opening of the "new workhouse".

There is a thread at this site discussing "softening of the brain" (encephalomalacia) and one poster had the same gut feeling as I did: it could refer to advanced syphilis (a not uncommon condition in the days before penicillin, which then caused symptoms of psychosis). But the one does not necessarily imply the other. It can be a result of haemorraghic stroke as well, which seems reasonable here.

[JaneyCanuck]

Emily Putz was born abt 1833 in Ipswich Suffolk? per censuses.

The Emily Putz who died in Stepney in 1931 aged 99 was pretty certainly her!

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Just search for the name.

There is an Emily Putz marriage in Poplar in 1891 that must be her daughter Emily Charlotte born 1865.

But oops, Emily does seem to have partnered again in any event; in 1881 she is Emily Jobson:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X32L-5RG

but she is back to Putz in 1911:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWP6-L6V

In 1871, people in institutions were regularly listed in the census by their initials only -- but the only SPs I am seeing of the right-ish age in the right general vicinity, whose place of birth is not stated as England, are all female ... And only 7 named persons (searching at Anc'y with no names at all) born 1814-1824 are shown as born in Amsterdam, Holland. Using just Holland or just Amsterdam doesn't get any better results.

[Bookbox]

Lambeth had two workhouses at this date -- Princes Road and Renfrew Road -- and Princes Road tended to be used as an infirmary while the new infirmary was being built in Brook Street (opened 1877). That might explain the ambiguity in the newspaper report. Background information here ...
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Lambeth/#Post-1834

Some of the Lambeth poor law records are online (at Ancestry, unindexed). I found a few references to him, but you may want to look further yourself (if you have access).

Looking at the Creed Register for Princes Road, I found no admission for Samuel Putz between 1869 and 1875, so unless he was admitted before 1869 he wasn't there for the 1871 census, and he isn't showing there on a search of 1871.

The Princes Road Creed Register shows that Samuel Putz, age 57, a confectioner, was admitted there on 14 Jan 1875, spent 4 months there, and was transferred to the workhouse (presumably Renfrew Road) on 10 May 1875. Three days later (13 May) he was sent back to Princes Road by the medical officer, remained another 4 months, and then returned to Renfrew Road on 30 Sep 1875. There is no further information in these entries.

The Rough Settlement Examinations for 1875 show that he was interviewed in the workhouse on 4 October, to confirm whether he was eligible to continue receiving assistance from Lambeth:

Samuel Putz, 57, born in Amsterdam, Confectioner, rent(ing at)
Lambeth Walk, 4 years
(no further information)

The Lambeth registers for the period October 1875 - August 1877 (when he died) are incomplete. He may have remained all that time in one or other of the Lambeth workhouses or infirmary wings.

The death certificate would clarify which building he died in, but other than it won't necessarily add to what you already know from the newspaper. If you want to order it, the death is indexed as PULZ, Samuel, aged 61 (Sep Qtr 1877, Lambeth 1d 226).

The newspaper report of the inquest said he had also been in St Bartholomew's Hospital. They have records, which could perhaps be requested from the archivists. Contact details here ...

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0wgg/

[Wendy260]

Thank you, Bookbox.  You have given me much to work with.  I see now where the poor fellow was in the years leading up to his tragic death.  I will research further using this new data.  Thank you for the links Janey Canuk.  My interest in this ancestor was piqued by the 1866 Pall Mall Gazette story called A Night in the Workhouse concerning Renfrew Road.  Very sad indeed.  Thanks again, Wendy260.