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St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« on: Thursday 03 October 13 15:46 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth M FLOWERDAY married George A FAIRLESS in 1894

Ref: GRO Index 1894, Q4 South Shields, 10a 1102
Ref: South Tyneside Registrar's website, 1894, Register CH1, Entry 233, Date 15/12/1894

The registrar's site says the church code CH is St Jude's.

I looked at http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/MSSHSJ.html
which has a name index of the marriage register for St Jude's 1886-1914, but Elizabeth and George don't appear in there.

If anyone has the time to do a look up (TWAS/DRO) for me I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

Boo

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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 July 14 13:59 BST (UK) »
At durham r.o. they did get mar. at st.judes. on dec15 1894 witt. James frost and Christina fairless.

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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 16 July 14 14:31 BST (UK) »
wow mtoto  this is the second look up you have done  for me this week. thank you SO much!

That is super, I can now order a copy and find out what name Elizabeth gave for her father on the marriage record. Her birth father was Henry John FLOWERDAY but she had been adopted so it will be interesting to see what is on the record.

Thanks again, I can't pay you back but I have a system of 'pay forward' and try to answer other queries (that don't involve look ups as I can't get to the archives) as a way of contributing to the whole :-)

Boo

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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 19:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Boo - George Alexander Fairless appears in my tree too. He was the brother of Jane Ann Fairless (1885-1967), my g. grandmother. The Christina/Christiana Fairless mentioned by mtoto was one of Jane and George's sisters. I hope this is of interest  :)
Appleby (Co. Durham), Bainbridge (Northumberland & Co. Durham), Batey (Houghton-le-Spring), Brotherton (South Shields), Butchart (Angus/Forfar & Sunderland), Fairless (South Shields), Graham (South Shields), Kirtley (Sunderland & area), Kitching (Westmorland), Mallinson (Westmorland), Pattison (Sunderland), Pickthall (Westmorland & Co. Durham), White (Co. Durham), Parker (Co. Durham), Robson (Sunderland & area), Walls (Co. Durham)


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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 August 14 18:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Boo - George Alexander Fairless appears in my tree too. He was the brother of Jane Ann Fairless (1885-1967), my g. grandmother. The Christina/Christiana Fairless mentioned by mtoto was one of Jane and George's sisters. I hope this is of interest  :)

Hello
Yes, thanks, anything even remotely to do with Elizabeth Mary FLOWERDAY and her siblings is of interest.

Though Elizabeth's parents (Henry John FLOWERDAY and Kate (nee CHATTERS) were still alive, she and her sister Jane Maria were 'adopted'. I believe their brother John was also 'adopted' but I haven't yet been able to trace him and think its possible that his adoptive family may have changed his name.

Henry John and Kate were an interesting couple with complicated lives, he was a Master Mariner and she a music hall artist. Though billed as a married couple when the children were born they didn't actually marry till 1885, eleven years after their first child was born and all three children seem to have been brought up by other families.
I know a lot about their first daughter Jane Maria and am really interested in any leads that would help me to know more about Elizabeth Mary and John Hedley FLOWERDAY.

The marriage record (which I now have a copy of) shows that this Elizabeth was the child of Henry FLOWERDAY so I am now sure I am following the right person.

By 1911 Elizabeth and George Fairless had 4 children, two of whom had died. The surviving children were John (born 1900) and Christina (born 1901). I know that one of the children who died was Kate (1895-1902) but haven't yet been able to identify the other child who died.

If you, or any contacts you have, can shed any light on Elizabeth's brother, John, I would be 'very' interested indeed !

Thanks for taking the time to let me know of this family connection, its another avenue for me to look at and see if I can stumble across something which may help in my quest.

Boo

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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 July 18 20:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Boo, I've found a small alien- file in the database of Antwerp, Belgium with info about the John Hedley you are researching, i believe. If you haven't already found this info, otherwise you may ignore my post.

One John Hedley Flowerday °28/07/1875 Durham, England was registered as a "schoolboy" literally translated, or student (écolier in french).
Filedate: 25 september/ 11 Oct. 1887

Parents: Hedley Flowerday, age 45, the place of birth was ignored, address Leindenstone place N°36, London +
Kate Hilda, age 40, place of birth also ignored, address: stays in London (def. not on the same address as Hedley otherwise they would state that).

In this files they ask about Livelihood. My French sucks, but from what i can translate, it states:
the spouses Phillip-Uytenbogaart Robert-Émile who were the subject of a bulletin/ newspaper? of the day, who adopted and provide for his subsistence.

John H.'s last domiciliary was: Amsterdam, Haarlemmer Houttuinen N°17; Netherlands

Address in Antwerp: (in French: Longue rue de l'Equerre N°56, section 2), looked up in Dutch (called in Antwerp today): Lange Winkelhaakstraat N°56.

He arrived 15 Sept. 1887 in Belgium, the same date for Antwerp so he was never in Belgium before.
Legal document delivered: change of residence, delivered in Amsterdam dated 20 Sept. 1887 (he lived there with his parents was scrapped).

The file was dated on 11 Oct.1887, but i think they signed up at the police immigration on 25 Sept. 1887.

Since it was scrapped that he lived with his parents in the Netherlands, i looked into the database from the cityarchive if possible the adoptive parents were NOT Belgian too, if so there must exist an alienfile on their names too. And yess, they were not Belgian and registered too!

Saw only 3 files on surname Uytenbogaa/ert, 2 males and one woman: Anna Catharina (in French Anne Catherine). A look at surname Philipp delivered one with the same firstnames Robert Emile. The Anna Catharina mentioned above has also the same filenumber 481#63103! So this couple must be the adoptive parents.

info from file 63103:
as i'm reading further and typing at the same time all details fall in place:
apparently all 3 arrived, registered on the same dates in Belgium, lived on the same addresses and they carried the same document from change of residence, delivered in Amsterdam dated 20 Sept. 1887, that proves that they all lived together in the Netherlands and this are indeed and def. the right adoptive parents!  ;D
A separate file must have been made because it was known that John Hedley was adopted and had different parents or because his name wasn't legally changed (yet?).
The info in notes in John Hedleys file were probably scrapped because it said 'parents' and not 'adoptive parents'.

Philipp, Robert Emile b. 12/10/1834 Brehna, cercle de Bitterfeld,Prussia +
Uytenboogaert, Anne Catherine b. 19/09/1832 Weesp, Netherlands
So his adoptive- father was German, his -mother Dutch.

The parents from Robert Emile were: Charles Louis Emile, born St-Ulrich, Prussia, died before filedate (25 Sept/11 Oct 1887)+ Emilia, Hennig, born in Holzweissig,also died before the filedate (25 Sept/11 Oct 1887).

Robert Emile was a Pianist and he lived from his incomes. Same previous address: Haarlemmer houttuinnen N°17, Netherlands
Address in Antwerp: (in French: Longue rue de l'Equerre N°56, section 2), in Dutch (called today): Lange Winkelhaakstraat N°56.

No more info than this in both files.
I got above info out of files from source 1 (free downloadable and with no registration)
See my new post for source links because this otherwise exceeds the maximum allowed characters.

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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 22 July 18 21:04 BST (UK) »
part II - source links
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📌 Source 1
cityarchive FELIXARCHIVE in Antwerp:
http://zoeken.felixarchief.be/zHome/Home.aspx?f=100&inv=2962

(look at the long blue bar)
1st select in the first column: 'FAMILIENAAM' (Surname)
2nd 'BEVAT' (contains) and
3rd type a piece of a surname + Enter

*Example 'HLIN' instead of McLaughlin so you get variants
**Also 'Y' or 'IJ' gives gives a difference, try out both (!) Example: Zwijsen / Zwysen

***If you have no result in this database or a file is Not public via the above link, it's an option to try out familysearch, it is possible the file is publicly published there (files up to number nr. 214920-214980, 1925-1930 are published on Familysearch)
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📌 Source 2 via familysearch:
(look at the filenumbers fist, some are the same as in the above database via Felixarchive(!))

► Step 1 INDEX; only remember the filenumber BUT doble-check filenumbers (some files are the same ) www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1477769?collectionNameFilter=false

► Step 2 FILENUMBERS;
look for the link where your needed filenumber in fits and browse through the microfilm *notice that filenumbers are written in the top-left-corner so you can follow where you are on the microfilm between files. www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/2023926/waypoints

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Guide and more info about the archive in Antwerp, look at the geni project (in Dutch and English - select language button below the title/ left from the project photo)
www.geni.com/projects/Belgium-Antwerp-Police-Immigration-files/43538

🍀

With kind regards,
Veronique

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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 22 July 18 21:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Veronique
Thank you so much for your post, that's a LOT for me to take in, follow up, and digest, (especially post dinner  with a very nice bottle of wine !) but I will! and I really appreciate the input :-)

I am just about to go away for a week or so, but will follow this up with great interest when I get back.

John Hedley Flowerday is the only child left that I can't suss out at all. At first (slightly squiffy after said nice bottle of wine)  this looks well worth me following up.

Many thanks for the post.

In a week or so I will look at it and get back to you

Boo




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Re: St Jude, South Shields - Marriage 1894
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 August 18 12:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Veronique.
I really appreciate your time and help with this. Its the only sighting of this boy after his baptism in South Shields on 10th October 1875 and I now know where, and with whom, he was between 1879 and 1887 which is a huge step forward.

1875 to 1879 is still a mystery, as is 1887 onwards but this is a great start!

Working backwards from the arrival in Antwerp I have now been able to ascertain that John Hedley Flowerday was listed five times in the Netherlands Bervolkingsregister as the 'pleegkind' - which apparently translates to foster child of Robert Emil Philipp and Anna Catherine Uytenboogaert.

https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/bevolkingsregisters_1874-1893/zoek/query.nl.pl?i1=1&a1=Flowerday&af1=1&x=22&z=a

The last entry on that list links to their arrival in Antwerp. The first one has, in Column 14 which specifies where they were prior to this current address, has the usual format reference for the foster parents but for John Hedley it says Polkaart CrA (I think!) He certainly wasn't recorded with them at the prior address for them.

I haven't been able to find out what Polkaart CrA means so have emailed the archives to ask if they can tell me. I am hoping that its a reference to a document showing his arrival in the Netherlands (similar to the one in Antwerp).

If/when they reply I will report back.

Boo