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Maritime Royal Artillery
« on: Thursday 26 September 13 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hi

Can anyone help, I'm trying to find information on a Pte George Todd 1609838, he serve on merchant ships during WW2 he died 16 Dec 1942.

I have his service records, but it dosn't give the ship he was on.

Also which medals would he be in titled to?

Thanks

John

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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 September 13 13:28 BST (UK) »
hi john
commonwealth war graves detail has him aboard ss empire gilbert [sunderland ] as a fireman and trimmer , panel 41 tower hill memorial .
can,t help with medals but sure someone else will be on soon to help with those .
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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 September 13 08:20 BST (UK) »
Trevor,
I don't think this is the man in question. DEMS were always recorded on crew agreements as Deck Hands. Apart From an age difference.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2489012/TODD,%20GEORGE
Just off to work. Will get back on this one.
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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 September 13 08:22 BST (UK) »
Trevor, I think you've got the wrong man there? CWCC records that George Todd, Royal Artillery, 7/4 Maritime Regiment, is commemorated on the Plymouth Memorial.

Medal information here:

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/medals/medal-faqs#unclaimedmedal

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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 September 13 08:26 BST (UK) »
hi
yes my mistake I was looking at merchant navy not army sorry about that  :-[ :-[ .
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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 September 13 22:28 BST (UK) »
Hi
 I'm trying to find information on a Pte George Todd 1609838,
I have his service records, but it dosn't give the ship he was on.


Hello John,
Your man was what is known as a "DEMS" gunner. DEMS, "Defensively Equipped Merchant Ship". They are notoriously difficult to research. I note that you have his service record and that it doesn't mention any of the names of the ships he served on. The only other way to track a gunner on a  Merchant Navy ship, is to know at least one ship, preferably at the end of his service, and then, by the aid of crew agreements which all personnel including military had to sign, we can work back through those as the previous ship is usually shown.
See, http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Defensively_Equipped_Merchant_Ships_%28D.E.M.S%29
As far as I can tell, He was not on-board any of the British vessels that were sunk on 16/12/1942. Namely, EAST WALES and OBSERVER. "DEMS", also served on Allied merchant ships, mainly Dutch or Norwegian, which makes the task all the more difficult.
Personal from the Army, Royal Air Force, and Royal Navy, were automatically given War grave status whatever the cause of their demise, unlike their Merchant Navy comrades who had to prove that the cause of death was as a direct result of enemy action.
Regarding the ships George Todd sailed on. I think you are looking for the proverbial "Needle in a Haystack"
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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 September 13 09:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your help

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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 15:41 BST (UK) »
Further to my PM see attached
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Re: Maritime Royal Artillery
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 16:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for you help, if I can help with any information for the Derwentside area of Durham please let me know.

Cheers

John