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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 02:15 BST (UK) »
One of my ggrandparents also found it far more lucrative to supply the miners than mine for gold.  However he only stayed on the goldfields for a couple of years and then established business in Melbourne.

Other resource mentioned above

McINTOSH Alexander
Death 29 Dec 1870
At Maffra, late Isle of Skye
Occupation  Mariner
Non-issued probates and administrations, Supreme Court of Victoria probate jurisdiction: units 1-70 (1851-1952)
Public Record Office Victoria - VPRS 7933/P1 Unit 17 File 902.
Comment - Grant type- Administration

Neither of the ages of the two deaths registered in 1871 for Alexander McINTOSH are a match.  You need to find his marriage on ScotslandsPeople to Sarah NICHOLSON.

 There is Daisy Hill between Talbot and Maryborough this is another place altogether. Many people confuse the two.

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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 02:33 BST (UK) »
Reviewing all the info I doubt that that the older man is your Alexander.  It would appear his brother or relative was at Maffra and surely the age would not be so inaccurate.

I think it is possibly the death at Beechworth.

Not much joy from the Beechworth Cemetery Trust -
1867 - March, 1875 Burials in present cemetery. Names and dates only. No
locations.

Really can't help you much more as you need a certificate or two.

Alice's birth certificate would give you Alexander's age and place of birth.

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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 02:49 BST (UK) »
familysearch - transcribed parish record.

McINTOSH Andrew
NICHOLSON Sarah Haddow
26 Mar 1852
Dundee Angus Scotland

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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 05:16 BST (UK) »
Quote
Sir George Hothan was the was then Governor of Melbourne
James Haddow McINTOSH

It was Sir Charles HOTHAM who was Governor of Victoria and he died in 1855 with no issue.

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/hotham-sir-charles-3803

http://www.burkeandwills.net.au/Royal_Society/Government/Victorian_Governors.htm

I think the family history has been embellished a tad.

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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 05:23 BST (UK) »
A quick search but can't find the MERMAID OF LONDON arriving in Australia.  It would appear she was a whaling vessel.  Mention here of being seen in May 1843 by another whaling vessel as being 'out 26 months'.
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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 05:35 BST (UK) »
A quick search but can't find the MERMAID OF LONDON arriving in Australia.  It would appear she was a whaling vessel.  Mention here of being seen in May 1843 by another whaling vessel as being 'out 26 months'.
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Maybe he was a whalor and when the ship came into port all the Whalers decided that Gold was a better way to get rich than blubber?   :-\
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Freemans, Littles, Corbetts, Branns - Australia

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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 05:55 BST (UK) »
Ted the ship would have been listed in shipping arrivals and departures and the mention was 9 years before Alexander and Sarah were married.

From the extract it appeared he had his wife and family on board with him.

Family stories are often inaccurate. 

Something not quite right.

Would love to see the death cert for the Alexander McINTOSH who died at Beechworth -  ie according to the Inquest Index not the death index as only shows place of birth.

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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 06:28 BST (UK) »
Another possibility..because the McINTOSH family were in Scotland the ship may have been referred to as the MERMAID - of London :-\

There is a clipper MERMAID  arriving Melbourne from Liverpool frequently during the 1850's however mention is made consistently under the command of Commander Edward DEVEY

Hopefully the OP has more information.

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Re: Daisyhill Ballarat Cemetery - Alice Elizabeth McIntosh
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 24 September 13 13:19 BST (UK) »
Well James once again had the family story incorrect.  Sarah returned to Scotland before 1867 ::).

1861 Census  Parish Perth Burgh  39/3/2 
Living at 23 Commercial Street,  Perth Burgh  Perthshire
McINTOSH Sarah Head 30 years  Seamans Wife Chief Mate  Born Dundee Forfarshire
McINTOSH Agnes Dau  8 years   Scholar  Born Australia
McINTOSH Charles J  Son  6 years  Scholar  Born Australia
McINTOSH James H  Son  4 years    Born Australia
McINTOSH Alexander A  Son  4 months   Born Kinnoull, Perthshire
ARCHIBALD Georgine  Boarder 24  years  Cloth Presser  Born Perthshire

1871 Scottish Census Parish Dundee 2/15/7
Living  89 Nethergate Street, Dundee
McINTOSH  Sarah  Head 41 years  Annuitant  Born Dundee Forfarshire
McINTOSH Agnes  Dau 18 years   Tailoress  Born Richmond, Australia
McINTOSH Charles F [error]   Son  16 years Apprentice Engineer  Born Richmond, Australia
McINTOSH James H Son 13 years  Message Boy  Born Amherst, Australia

1881 Scottish Census Monifeith 5/3/13
Living at 55 Cowans Cottages, Monifeith  Angus
McINTOSH Sarah H Head  52 years     Born Dundee Forfarshire
McINTOSH Charles  Son  26 years  Marine Engineer  Born Victoria
McINTOSH James H Son  24 years  Seaman M S   Born Victoria
GRAY Agnes McIntosh Dau  28 years  Wife of a seaman  Born Victoria
GRAY Alexander McIntosh Grandson  9 years Scholar [Mother Agnes Mcintosh GRAY] Born Dundee, Forfarshire
GRAY Sarah Mina Granddaughter  7 years  Scholar [Mother Agnes Mcintosh GRAY] Born Dundee Forfarshire
GRAY Roderick Grandson 5 years  Scholar [Mother Agnes Mcintosh GRAY] Born Dundee Forfarshire
GRAY Christina  Granddaughter 1 years  Scholar [Mother Agnes Mcintosh GRAY] Born Dundee Forfarshire

Now all you need is Alexander's 1871 death cert.  I notice that Sarah was 41years in the 1871 census and Alexander who died in 1871 aged 44 years is surely her husband.  Unfortunately IF he did die in a public institution there is usually little information on the death certificate.

The Scottish Census was taken on 2/3 April 1871 and with Sarah describing herself as an annuitant, I now wonder when in 1871 did Alexander die?

There is an inquest file at the Public Records of Victoria however they do not offer a copy service.

I now wonder why the story was so incorrect. 

James H's sister and brother were not born at sea but in Richmond, Victoria, Australia.

Was Sarah hiding something about their life, and Alexander's death, in Australia. 

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