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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 10:34 BST (UK) »
It's wonderful to be able to access the Census online, at home. Previously, I could only study my local, Leicestershire family, but I have been able to find my out-of-county lines, as well as 'do' friends' families online. That is very pleasurable, and a great advance.
But the magic atmosphere of the Record Office was a joy. From the first nervous fumbling with the machine, trawling through whole parishes, then finally finding the family - "Oh, there she is!" out loud (a no-no really) to the understanding amusement of fellow trawlers. I remember too, 3 Americans, quite loudly chattering which drew frowns, suddenly nailing their quarry: " Oh gee, look - it's Uncle Joe!". And everyone in the room laughed because we knew the feeling. That is one of the special things about searching at the RO, the actual presence of other dedicated searchers. Instant finding is great for ease and speed, but there really is a special satisfaction in the long process of discovery. And apart from the Census, which of course is on microfilm, there is the joy of handling the actual records.
The news that the Census is to be discontinued comes as no surprise, it was never meant for our convenience after all, and there are other records for future family historians, But no other record lists the whole family, visitors, ages, occupations and places of birth in one place, so that you can be sure (in most cases) that you have the right family and can cross-reference. So we are lucky in our time to have both methods of accessing the Census, RO and online.
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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 26 September 13 17:33 BST (UK) »
When I began researching my family history in the 1990s it was a long-drawn out and expensive hobby. I used to go to both St Catherine's House to search the BMD indices and to Portugal Street to look at the census films. What with the ordering and waiting around it took an absolute age to get anywhere. The things that I can achieve online in a day now would have taken weeks, or more probably months, then. That said, it is still quite an expensive hobby but the less said about that the better  8) Chrisann
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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 26 September 13 18:34 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Well...... most records are still not available online, and reality is that anything other than an image of the real record is just a clue and so you still need to check back and find the real record...

What 'online' has done is make it quicker and easier... as it is the database that finds possible ancestors,not only in the county you live in but the country and in many other countries to, so you no longer have to physically wind a whole reel of census film to see if you can spot from the difficult to read script the one person you are looking for and then rewind the reel before you could use the next reel and it may have took several 'looks' before you find the person you are looking for and if they were not there, then it means they were either missing on census night or maybe they were in another county, meaning that was a trip to another counties records office to check their county census, 'just in case' they were there.

Unless you went down to London which was a twice /three times a year trip for me that way you had the whole countries census films/fiche, although the size of the Archives at first certainly made me feel 'lost' in those early years, not sure what to look at and where to find it.
It was certainly very labour intensive and  time consuming and unless you were lucky in making an educated guess which county your ancestor might be in, you could end up looking at many counties census without much luck in finding who you wanted.

Because 'online' is quick, easy, instant, just like emails to write and send, text messages etc and the glaring errors those can cause, it is not treated with the same respect and consideration as if you write a letter with pen and paper, put in an envelope and post, so time, consideration of what you write and time to think about and absorb before it 'goes' in the post box, so I am pleased I know how to research  having seen 'internet researchers' trees and some of the glaring errors they make simply as they never check back to real records and the number of them that have no idea what records are available, when civil registration began all they know is what one particular database shows when they put a name in.... so for many their experience and knowledge can be very limited.
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
Suffolk/Norfolk:Groom, Coleman, Kemp, Barnard, Alden,Blomfield,Smith,Howes,Knight,Kett,Fryston
Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 26 September 13 18:45 BST (UK) »
Hear Hear

What wise words.

The internet is a great tool.
But it is not the master. It can help us find things, it can point us in the right direction, and it makes some of the searches a lot quicker and easier.
But it is a mistake to think it is the be all and end all.  So many records, and so much information isnt there.
To conclude that something is correct because it is the nearest match that comes up on an internet search results in all sorts of errors. 

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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 29 September 13 18:21 BST (UK) »
One branch of my family are the Wimpenny's of Holmfirth, West Yorks. I did a lot of research on-line but was much helped by a lady who specialises in the Wimpenny's.She had traced the family back to the 1600's, doing all the research well before data was available on-line.
The lady in question has a Wimpenny one-name web-site and could be contacted through it.

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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 14 December 13 22:11 GMT (UK) »
My earliest research memories are looking at the BMD indexes in London at St. Catherines House at the bottom of Kingsway.   Large books per quarter.  Took al long time a lot of effort to move 5 years worth from the shelves to the desks on top. Eventually they came on to microfiche and were available at our local library.  If i remember correctly census returns were only available at the local county (Cheshire) record office and then only for Cheshire.

My families were from Northumberland and Dumfriesshire :(

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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 14 December 13 22:45 GMT (UK) »
Duplicate thread here but OP hasn't logged in since starting the 2 topics so not sure if they are interested in replies (and probably needs 1 more post to use PM system).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=662052.msg5075173#msg5075173
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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 15 December 13 22:32 GMT (UK) »
Well, I hope the OP will be back to harvest these responses ... there's a lot of people here willing to put themselves out to help.

My own first experience of genealogical research was as a young trainee solicitor in late 1990 or early 1991, when I was sent to Seamen's Hall in Somerset House to go through the quarterly volumes of death registrations looking for the death, some time between 1970 and 1980 (probably ...) of Ivy Knott, and then when I had a date of birth to see if there was a grant of probate and will, and if so to obtain a copy ...

I think I went there every day for two weeks ... because there were MILLIONS of Ivy Knotts all dropping off their perches in the decade in question. I came to the conclusion that it had been thought of as a frightfully witty pun, in the late Victorian era, to name your daughter Ivy if your surname was Knott (as in a knot of ivy ...) and of course, these were the generation whose menfolk were slaughtered in wholesale numbers on the Western Front between 1914 and 1918, leaving all those maiden aunts of the 1930s - 1950s, who started dying off in the 1960s and 1970s.

And the only way to test it all was to bespeak (that was the technical term for it) copies of the grants of probate and to look at the associated wills (you needed to have the probate in order to get the reference for the will, as I recall) and then look at the will to see if it was the "right" Ivy Knott or not. It took a long time; but slowly, one by one, I eliminated them from my enquiries until finally we hit the right one.


Less than a year ago, I started researching my family tree with the assistance of computerized tools for census, BMD and parish records. I have achieved more in a year than could be done in a lifetime before computerization. I have identified all of my parents, grandparents, great grandparents and great x2 grandparents. I have identified 31 out of 32 great x3; 44 out of 64 great x4; 53 out of 128 great x5; 60 out of 256 great x6; 52 out of 512 great x7; 51 out of 1,024 great x8; 38 out of 2,048 great x9; 30 out of 4,096 great x10; 33 out of 8,192 great x11; 31 out of 16,384 great x12; 19 out of 32,768 great x13 and 4 out of 65,653 great x14 grandparents. Some of these identifications are necessarily tentative, and I am now searching out the further evidence that will confirm or deny. And I have a stack of about 300 index cards each identifying further enquiries and look-ups for County Record Offices, relating to records which are not yet available in digital format. Each of these may yield further identifications, or the hard evidence to firm up on a tentative identification; and when I do so, they may give a lead to another rich seam of information which is available online.

The real difficulty I am having now is that the flow of information is in danger of swamping my ability to assimilate, organize, and write it all up. So visits to record offices are put on hold until all of the information from the last one has been written up, and any further digital records to which it points me has been harvested.

I think, however, that the most powerful tool which the digital revolution has given us - and the one which enables us to increase our efficiency many times over when searching for records - is the ability to find in an instant if the answer to a particular enquiry is "no". In the old days, if there was no record there, then it was difficult to know when to throw in the towel and accept that that was probably the case. You could spend whole days looking in the hope that there was something, somewhere, to be found ... when now, the computer will tell you in a matter of seconds that your search returned no hits. And if that is the case, you know to move on to your next enquiry ... and THAT has made a TREMENDOUS difference to the speed with which you can home in on the extant records which are of some use or value to you ...
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Re: Research before records were available online
« Reply #26 on: Friday 20 December 13 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I know that you have to be careful when using the internet - if the research isn't right you're just wasting your time.  But I recently found my husband's gt gt aunt Jessie with the help of Family Search - sending off for her birth certificate to double check of course - but also found her on Census with her grandparents who I hadn't been able to trace as I was looking for his second christian name, so I was able to go a generation back, and was so pleased.
I have very fond memories of hunting through microfiche in Birmingham Local Studies Library - a marvellous place - and always very helpful, even if there were points at which I was waiting after someone who was using the same microfiche.  But, not having a car, the internet allows me to trace families I wouldn't otherwise be able to, and I've got in touch with several distant relatives via the Internet too, which has been lovely.  And that's apart from all the help and advice fellow Rootschatters have given me.
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